Mr. WEO Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: He is an amazing RB, but no RB is worth $16 mil. / yr. It’s too much $ that will get taken away from other players. If Diggs could also run over 1200 a year would you not pay him more than 16 million? People keep focusing on him as a RB, yet somehow ignore his value as a receiver. He's easily a top 3 weapon in the NFL right now. He's not getting anywhere near top 3 money for what he produces. 12 hours ago, aristocrat said: Just FYI he is the only rb to ever have those stats you mentioned. The only one ever in the history of the universe Who else has?
aristocrat Posted April 14, 2020 Author Posted April 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If Diggs could also run over 1200 a year would you not pay him more than 16 million? People keep focusing on him as a RB, yet somehow ignore his value as a receiver. He's easily a top 3 weapon in the NFL right now. He's not getting anywhere near top 3 money for what he produces. Who else has? nobody
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 15 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Lot of money for a running back. Even one who gives such good value as a receiver. Looks like the lower cost 2 year contract for Bridgewater gives them some wiggle room to pay CMC this big money. The fact that the contract extension happened after they locked up Bridgewater speaks volumes. Carolina will likely add a rookie QB at some time either this year or next. A cheap rookie QB contract would extend the window to pay CMC through the balance of the four years. After that time, the wear and tear will probably make CMC expendable. When you look at this, it is really a pretty sound approach. 1
CapeBreton Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Lurker said: I hope his body lasts four years... He's been quite durable so far, I've never seen him even limp off the field. In fact, I've never seen him come off the field, he plays almost 100% of their snaps which is ridiculous.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: He is an amazing RB, but no RB is worth $16 mil. / yr. It’s too much $ that will get taken away from other players. At $16 million a year, he better be selling beer in the stands when the Panthers are on defence. 2 1
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: At $16 million a year, he better be selling beer in the stands when the Panthers are on defence. He also directs parking cars in the lot before the game. 2
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 9 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Why? If you look at WRs that will make comparable money in 2020, CMC is much more valuable than all of them. I could use the only WR slated to make exactly $16 million(Sammy Watkins), but that seems a bit unfair, so I'll use the 3 guys who are going to be paid $16.2 million(Thielen, Cooks & Hopkins). Hopkins has averaged 1,230.4 total yards & 7.71 total TDs per year in his 7 year career. Cooks has averaged 1,001 total yards & 6 total TDs per year in his 6 year career. With Thielen I won't even count his 1st 2 years as they were really bad. Thielen has averaged 1,024 total yards & 6.25 total TDs per year in the last 4 years. But with CMC I'll include his very average 1st year. CMC has averaged 1,814.33 yards & 20.66 TDs per year in his 3 year career. He had over 600 more scrimmage yards than any other player in the league & was tied for 1st in total TDs. If you ask me, given his production, I think the Panthers got a really good deal. I don't think its a bad deal - hes a great player. However - comparing yardage from RBs to WRs isn't fair. How many yards would another running back have gotten rushing the ball on his carries - probably less but its also probably closer than you think. 200 yards rushing less maybe? As for the receiving factor - James white had a slightly lower catch rate, and lower yards per catch. But he costs 4 million. So while he is a great back - is he worth the full 16 million? I'm not sure. He's obviously really hard to tackle in space making him lethal in the red zone where its often 1x1 for backs on the outside. He has the speed to turn plays into TDs. But at the same time, if you get a few backs and run the same offense you can probably obtain largely similar results spread out. Is he Marshall Faulk? Basically yeah. But is that worth the extra 10 million more per year than Austin Ekeler? 2
Doc Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) The only question is durability since he's a RB. But last year, he only ran the ball 18 times/game, which isn't a lot. And he's still young. I'd maybe balk at giving him this contract after he finished his rookie contract, but not after just his 3rd season. Edited April 14, 2020 by Doc
Chicken Boo Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean it’s football and that can be said for every player. It's especially true for running backs. In particular, those with the usage rate that CMC has. Chances are that he will break down faster than most. 10 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: By that logic, no player should ever sign a 16 mill per year avg contract - how do you explain all these big contracts like Amari Cooper, DeForest Buckner, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson etc.? Injuries and down years are factored into these contracts by the teams via the salary cap - how else do you explain the healthy bottomlines of the teams despite the large number of injuries suffered? I'm all for players getting their money. That doesn't mean it's a wise investment by the team. All of those players you listed aren't running backs. Edited April 14, 2020 by Chicken Boo 1
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 59 minutes ago, dneveu said: I don't think its a bad deal - hes a great player. However - comparing yardage from RBs to WRs isn't fair. How many yards would another running back have gotten rushing the ball on his carries - probably less but its also probably closer than you think. 200 yards rushing less maybe? As for the receiving factor - James white had a slightly lower catch rate, and lower yards per catch. But he costs 4 million. So while he is a great back - is he worth the full 16 million? I'm not sure. He's obviously really hard to tackle in space making him lethal in the red zone where its often 1x1 for backs on the outside. He has the speed to turn plays into TDs. But at the same time, if you get a few backs and run the same offense you can probably obtain largely similar results spread out. Is he Marshall Faulk? Basically yeah. But is that worth the extra 10 million more per year than Austin Ekeler? He had over 600 scrimmage yards than any other player and was tied for 1st in total TDs with defenses keying on him because they were starting a rookie QB and only one other decent skilled position player on offense. He had the 3rd most scrimmage yards in NFL history. And yes he is worth 10 million more than Austin Ekeler. Ekeler had 240 touches for 1,550 yards & 11 TDs, 2/3 were receiving yards with really good WRs & a good TE that defenses had to worrying about. CMC had 403 touches for 2,392 yards & 19 TDs with a rookie QB, and no one but DJ Moore for defenses to worry about. CMC has shown he can handle the biggest workload of any RB in the league, & still has played in all 48 games in his career. Ekeler hasn't, he only averaged 15 touches a game last year. CMC had almost as many scrimmage yards & TDs this year than Ekeler has had in his 3 year career. 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: He had over 600 scrimmage yards than any other player and was tied for 1st in total TDs with defenses keying on him because they were starting a rookie QB and only one other decent skilled position player on offense. He had the 3rd most scrimmage yards in NFL history. And yes he is worth 10 million more than Austin Ekeler. Ekeler had 240 touches for 1,550 yards & 11 TDs, 2/3 were receiving yards with really good WRs & a good TE that defenses had to worrying about. CMC had 403 touches for 2,392 yards & 19 TDs with a rookie QB, and no one but DJ Moore for defenses to worry about. CMC has shown he can handle the biggest workload of any RB in the league, & still has played in all 48 games in his career. Ekeler hasn't, he only averaged 15 touches a game last year. CMC had almost as many scrimmage yards & TDs this year than Ekeler has had in his 3 year career. Why do they need a running back to carry a huge workload? Ekeler had a fantastic year last year - and they can get 100-150 touches out of Justin Jackson. Ekeler gains more yards per catch than pretty much any other running back. If the yardage ends up the same who cares who got them? Same with TDs, will having McCaffrey end up getting them more TDs? Or did Cam's TDs end up as McCaffreys since they had to adjust their offense in the red zone?
416BillsFan Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Good for him. He's proved a lot of doubters (ok, me included to be honest) wrong.
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I'm all for players getting their money. That doesn't mean it's a wise investment by the team. All of those players you listed aren't running backs. I will refer you back to my original post. It says that CMC is not just a RB, but much much more. Hence the comparables shouldnt be RB salaries. Closest comparable is Marshall Faulk. Would anyone argue Marshall Faulk in 1998 was not worth 64 million in 2020 dollars?
Beast Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Pretty cool when you think about this..... The NFL MVP is a black QB. The highest paid RB in the NFL is a white guy. 1
machine gun kelly Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: If Diggs could also run over 1200 a year would you not pay him more than 16 million? People keep focusing on him as a RB, yet somehow ignore his value as a receiver. He's easily a top 3 weapon in the NFL right now. He's not getting anywhere near top 3 money for what he produces. Who else has? Weo, you’re a sharp cat, but he won’t last. It was discussed this morning on NFLR as no one can take that durability. He’ll get used up and they’ll move on. Maybe if they adjust their strategy and Bridgewater finds other targets, but you can’t last with that type of production. 1
Mr. WEO Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Weo, you’re a sharp cat, but he won’t last. It was discussed this morning on NFLR as no one can take that durability. He’ll get used up and they’ll move on. Maybe if they adjust their strategy and Bridgewater finds other targets, but you can’t last with that type of production. Won't last huh? Undersized (he's no 6' 2") nearly single leg amputee QB Bridgewater is getting 21M a year. How long will he last? He hasn't played 16 games since 5 years ago. Teddy is, at best, a game manager who struggles to throw TDs. This makes McCaffrey (the most dynamic player in the NFL). even MORE valuable to his team's Offense. He scored over half of the teams TDs. The NFL doesn't rate pay on "how long will he last". It's market driven. Teams would line up to get McC at 16 million a year for 4 years as he enters his prime because there is no weapon like him in the NFL. 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 18 hours ago, MJS said: Welp, I am going to go out on a limb. This particular limb states that McCaffrey will never achieve that kind of production again and in a couple years McCaffrey will seem grossly overpaid. Don't worry. I know this is a lonely limb to be sitting on and I know that people are glaring at me out here. I guess we'll just see what happens. Great point. That's true. Well hopefully that limb snaps off right into our laps and he then grafts himself back onto a fat trunk and resumes being the best RB to ever play 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: If Diggs could also run over 1200 a year would you not pay him more than 16 million? People keep focusing on him as a RB, yet somehow ignore his value as a receiver. He's easily a top 3 weapon in the NFL right now. He's not getting anywhere near top 3 money for what he produces. Who else has? Top 1 weapon in the NFL 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Won't last huh? Undersized (he's no 6' 2") nearly single leg amputee QB Bridgewater is getting 21M a year. How long will he last? He hasn't played 16 games since 5 years ago. Teddy is, at best, a game manager who struggles to throw TDs. This makes McCaffrey (the most dynamic player in the NFL). even MORE valuable to his team's Offense. He scored over half of the teams TDs. The NFL doesn't rate pay on "how long will he last". It's market driven. Teams would line up to get McC at 16 million a year for 4 years as he enters his prime because there is no weapon like him in the NFL. At least somebody around here appreciates McCaffrey for what he is
Sherlock Holmes Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Pretty cool when you think about this..... The NFL MVP is a black QB. The highest paid RB in the NFL is a white guy. Man, I have some bets to cash in on!!! Still waiting on another Jason Sehorn 6 hours ago, nucci said: he's one of the best players in the league THE best, as I told people he would be when drafted 8 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: At $16 million a year, he better be selling beer in the stands when the Panthers are on defence. I've seen him conducting water tests on the sideline for teammates Edited April 14, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes 1
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