Interesting Player Starting to Slide

[billsfan_34]

13 hours ago, Madd Charlie said:

I'm seeing more mocks with Laviska Shenault sliding to the Bills pick in the second round. Interestingly, none of these mocks show us taking him. The last one I saw had Duggar going to Dallas at 51 and Chinn going to the Eagles at 53. Those are two players that the Bills reportedly did some due diligence on and who I also like a lot. The Bills then take Terrell Lewis at 54 and Shenault goes to NO at 55. I'm not feeling Lewis for some reason although I see the potential. Maybe its the injury history but its probably me being turned off by these tall lanky edge rush guys ever since the Maybin disaster.

 

I take Shenault right here. I cut or trade Andre Roberts and save 1.5 mill in cap. Shenault becomes the kick returner and punt returner. He becomes the back up running back, gadget guy, and sweep guy he most likely bumps McKenzie and Duke Williams off of the roster and becomes our 4th receiver. I'm getting pretty excited about it the more I think about it. It gives us a great combination of youth and vets at the position which we know Beane and Coach would prefer. We also potentially have the best top 4 receivers in the league. Its doubtful that Laviska drops that far but not impossible. With the scenario above does any one else take Shenault there or are other positions too much of a priority and I'm just getting greedy?

So you would cut an Ace Special Teamer to save 1.5 million? I just could never see that happening. In my opinion, McKenzie would be shown the door. Where the Bills are right now and the level of talent you have to go with a proven in Roberts.

Edited April 12, 2020 by billsfan_34

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said:

Doubt it RB isn't going to be a big need. The Bills will be passing the ball more.

RB is a big need.  I do favor adding one that is a complete threat though.  A RB who can pass protect and catch the ball out of the backfield are important parts of the passing game too.  Right now Singletary is all we have and the offense changed dramatically when he was out getting breathers or missing games last season.  I am not interested in pushing our luck.  Get me another quality RB who has a complete game.  I don’t care where we find that RB, but we need one like that.  
 

Edit: Singletary had 151 rush attempts (and 29 receptions) in 12 games in 2019.  I have to think that we’d have run the ball - and run it much more effectively - with a second quality RB getting touches.  

Edited April 12, 2020 by BarleyNY

[maryland-bills-fan]

I really don't like all these trendy "RULES" that people invent, repeat to one-another and then worship.  Of course you want to get the "BPA", but reality is "the BPA within reason". 

 

If you are already stacked at a position, and there is a "BPA" sitting there, he is not your pick because he adds nothing to the team in the next 2-3 years. (and is then close to FA).  IF the player is that superior, then you answer the phone because somebody else will be calling and asking for you to trade for your slot. That, automatically, solves the problem. If it doesn't, well than reality has shown you the truth.

 

What the Bills have done the past 3 years is TWICE each year,  traded up to get a player they wanted.  They didn't like or want the "BPA" available with their pick and bundled their pick and some lower picks to move up and get a NEED player to build and improve the roster.   That has worked out well, (it is not "BPA").  Sorry to get people upset, but when you decide to move up in the draft to get a player, that is a NEED move.

 

{{note added in edit.  It is BOTH a NEED and a BPA pick.  Why not get both at the same time?   Every choice in life and business is a compromise between two extremes.}}

 

Give the Bills organization credit for some brains in how they approach the draft. They INTEGRATE picking up veteran FA's and which veteran FA's they get WITH the expected players in the draft.   This year the used their 1st and a couple of late middle picks to get a #1 wide receiver who has a close to ZERO bust rate and fill that NEED. 

 

Right now we have one starting level RB on the roster and he has limitations. (Sorry Homers). He is on the small side, shifty and good between the tackles.  He doe NOT have the speed to turn the corner, he is NOT a natural pass catcher,   he scares nobody if he lines up wide as a WR and he is no good as hot read or the plays that made TT such a great.  He is the 2019 #22 in rushing and 2019 #45 in receiving among running backs. 

 

The Bills have planned ahead and at #54,  or with a modest trade up, might be in a position of getting one of the top 5 RB's.  They are an immediate upgrade and will play this year and may even start this year.  That seems to be the plan.

 

  
 

Edited April 12, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan

[H2o]

If Swift, Taylor, or Dobbins are on the board in Round 2 I take one of the 3, whomever that may be. I think all three of them would make an excellent compliment to Singletary. If they're all off of the board then I take Claypool if he's there because I believe he immediately changes our attack even more so than we have already adding Diggs. I just think he's going to be a nightmare to cover, would make it basically impossible to guard our sum of receiving weapons, and open up the field all over. I don't think Shenault does that in this offense with our depth chart right now. If all 4 of the aforementioned are off of the board then BPA at DE/CB/S/OL/LB/TE, whomever that may be. No matter what happens I expect Beane, McDermott, and Co. to come away with not only their BPA, but a guy who will make an immediate impact. 

[CSBill]

13 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Mims at 54 is my top choice! No question...he is everything you want in a future #1...size, hands, route running, speed...

 

I'm with you on this. He is intriguing.

[Cal]

I'd be fine with both. Probably prefer lewis

[Mr. K]

BPA is probably going to end up being O or D Line, DB, or RB. I wouldnt mind rolling the dice on Kalija Lipscomb in a later round.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

They already used their first rounder on a WR. I doubt they do the same with their second unless it’s a clear BPA 

[TigerJ]

I'd consider him.  There are a few other players who give you some interesting versatility like Shenault.  Lynn Bowdin and Antonio Gibson.  You can pick up either of those guys a couple rounds later

[OldTimer1960]

14 hours ago, Madd Charlie said:

I think CB is set short-term I'm in the Norman is going to ball out as our number two camp, and we have decent depth. The only way I go CB here is if the Bills feel they need leverage because of the massive contract Tre is about to ask for. I never saw the Panthers pay a CB when Beane was in Carolina but you almost have to keep Tre no matter what. If they don't go ER in the second to me it means they see Darryl Johnson taking a step which would be really cool he has a lot of size and potential and he can play special teams.

While I like some of what we saw from Darryl Johnson, if they don’t take a DE in round 2 it could also just mean that they didn’t like the DEs that were available enough to take one - I don’t think it necessarily says much about their thoughts on Johnson.  Late in round 2 this year I don’t think the DE options will be great.  

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am low on him too. So much so that I think I would be slightly pissed with him at #54. In all likelihood there will be better players on the board. I did say when people here were having him in the conversation at #22 it was absolute crazy talk. 

I agree - I really like how hard he runs when he has the ball, but so many of his touches were schemed to get him the ball on passes +/-5 yards of LOS and on handoffs that it is hard to say he is a WR.  Combined with his pedestrian 40 and injuries, I think it would be wise to avoid him.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

We don’t need another WR right now. I really hope we don’t draft one. A TE that can be more reliable in the passing game? Sure. A RB that can catch balls out of the backfield? Sure. Don’t draft another WR. We are full there.

[SoCal Deek]

So it’s settled then! Nobody knows what they’re going to do in Round 2. What a great place to be after so many years of we HAVE TO take this guy or that guy. Loving it! 

[Hardhatharry]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

RB is a big need.  I do favor adding one that is a complete threat though.  A RB who can pass protect and catch the ball out of the backfield are important parts of the passing game too.  Right now Singletary is all we have and the offense changed dramatically when he was out getting breathers or missing games last season.  I am not interested in pushing our luck.  Get me another quality RB who has a complete game.  I don’t care where we find that RB, but we need one like that.  
 

Edit: Singletary had 151 rush attempts (and 29 receptions) in 12 games in 2019.  I have to think that we’d have run the ball - and run it much more effectively - with a second quality RB getting touches.  

Not really, they will be passing more this year.

[hondo in seattle]

Here's how I interpret the word "slide."

 

The media initially overvalues a guy.  As they start to do more homework and realize the player's flaws, they begin to downgrade him.  Thus the slide  

 

It all starts with the media's mistake of overvaluing a player.  

[Putin]

16 hours ago, purple haze said:

If Beane truly likes Duggar or Chinn he will go get one of them.

I know we already used our 1st round pick on a WR but I still think we should be beefing up the offense with playmakers, Im not saying Shenault is that guy ,  but just by looking at our offense and where it was ranked ( last year ) and compare to our defense that was a top 5 AND looking at what Bean already did in free agency beefing up DL , LB and adding more competition at the CB2 position I just don’t see how anyone we draft on defense will have a chance to contribute this year , unless someone they REALLY like slides to 54 I think Bean will go offense WR , RB wouldn’t surprise if we move up back in 1st or top of the second round ,,

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

I know we already used our 1st round pick on a WR but I still think we should be beefing up the offense with playmakers, Im not saying Shenault is that guy ,  but just by looking at our offense and where it was ranked ( last year ) and compare to our defense that was a top 5 AND looking at what Bean already did in free agency beefing up DL , LB and adding more competition at the CB2 position I just don’t see how anyone we draft on defense will have a chance to contribute this year , unless someone they REALLY like slides to 54 I think Bean will go offense WR , RB wouldn’t surprise if we move up back in 1st or top of the second round ,,

I hear you, but Beane is also drafting for the future, not just this season.  I fully expect him to grab a WR in a couple weeks for that reason.  Maybe it's 2nd round, maybe not.  They need a young edge too.  Darryl Johnson is our only young DE prospect.

[maryland-bills-fan]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

They already used their first rounder on a WR. I doubt they do the same with their second unless it’s a clear BPA 

We should have one of the best WR trios in the league.  Even if this draftee could put one of them on the bench, why not improve  some part of the team that needs improvement?  Geesh, if the guy could put Diggs on the bench, then every other teams should be stupid in not taking him  OR we should get some other team to give us a 1st round pick in exchange for our #54 pick.

[maryland-bills-fan]

7 hours ago, Hardhatharry said:

Doubt it RB isn't going to be a big need. The Bills will be passing the ball more.

Gee.  Singletary was #45 in RB receiving last year.  So, 32 teams had a better pass reciever than the Bills.  22 teams had TWO running backs that were better pass receiver than Singletary.    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/rb/2019

 

#47       Singletary             Buffalo  41 passes for 194 yards    

#32      L,Murray                Saints     43 passes for 235 yards

#16     K.Hunt                    Browns    44  passes for 285 yards

#8    Da. Johnson             Arizona   47 passes for 370 yards

 

I would like the Bills to be at lease in the top half to top quarter of the league.  If you think we should pass the ball more, putting an additional receiving threat on the field for every play seems like a good idea.  We are giving about 150 yards away AND adding a threat at RB pass catching will mean few double coverages on the top 2 wide receivers, and make them more effective.

[Hardhatharry]

39 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Gee.  Singletary was #45 in RB receiving last year.  So, 32 teams had a better pass reciever than the Bills.  22 teams had TWO running backs that were better pass receiver than Singletary.    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/rb/2019

 

#47       Singletary             Buffalo  41 passes for 194 yards    

#32      L,Murray                Saints     43 passes for 235 yards

#16     K.Hunt                    Browns    44  passes for 285 yards

#8    Da. Johnson             Arizona   47 passes for 370 yards

 

I would like the Bills to be at lease in the top half to top quarter of the league.  If you think we should pass the ball more, putting an additional receiving threat on the field for every play seems like a good idea.  We are giving about 150 yards away AND adding a threat at RB pass catching will mean few double coverages on the top 2 wide receivers, and make them more effective.

 

He will be better this year, last year he was a rookie. Don't worry.

[TigerJ]

1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Gee.  Singletary was #45 in RB receiving last year.  So, 32 teams had a better pass reciever than the Bills.  22 teams had TWO running backs that were better pass receiver than Singletary.    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/rb/2019

 

#47       Singletary             Buffalo  41 passes for 194 yards    

#32      L,Murray                Saints     43 passes for 235 yards

#16     K.Hunt                    Browns    44  passes for 285 yards

#8    Da. Johnson             Arizona   47 passes for 370 yards

 

I would like the Bills to be at lease in the top half to top quarter of the league.  If you think we should pass the ball more, putting an additional receiving threat on the field for every play seems like a good idea.  We are giving about 150 yards away AND adding a threat at RB pass catching will mean few double coverages on the top 2 wide receivers, and make them more effective.

Funny, I look at the same stat and conclude there were 12 running backs who had better receiving stats than Singletary.  Still, I think its better than not to have a second RB on the roster who can do some of everything.  If you want a ground and pound short yardage specialist, I think he ought to be a third RB on the roster.  I'm not counting Taiwan Jones, who won't get more than about 5 snaps all season at RB.