Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Doc said: Oh, my bad. I didn't realize you were (still) one of them. No wonder you haven't seen it. Again, it's not unproven and there is no other treatment. And if the side effects are so bad, let's pull it off the shelves right now. Sound good? There are other potential treatments. Even your man Donald Trump mentioned some of them yesterday. There is a reason this drug is not OTC. Its because of the potentially lethal side effects. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Scraps said: There are other potential treatments. Even your man Donald Trump mentioned some of them yesterday. There is a reason this drug is not OTC. Its because of the potentially lethal side effects. No one has ever argued there aren't other treatments. No one has ever argued there aren't side effects (to most medications). The truth is, Trump was right. The drug is helping a lot of people. And there is a large contingent in the media and partisan politics (but I repeat myself) who'd rather see Trump be wrong and people die than for Trump to be right and people to live. Don't be one of those fools. Be better than that.
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: No one has ever argued there aren't other treatments. Doc did. He wrote "it's not unproven and there is no other treatment". Are you going to call him out?
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Scraps said: There are other potential treatments. Even your man Donald Trump mentioned some of them yesterday. There is a reason this drug is not OTC. Its because of the potentially lethal side effects. There were no other treatments when Trump started touting it and at present, convalescent plasma is in very short supply. Good luck getting any if you get Wuhan virus. And it's OTC. Just find some fish tank cleaner... 1 1 1 1
Chef Jim Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Scraps said: There is a reason this drug is not OTC. Its because of the potentially lethal side effects. Who's saying it needs to be OTC. And what are these LETHAL side effects you talk about??
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Who's saying it needs to be OTC. And what are these LETHAL side effects you talk about?? No one and there aren't. Scraps is just parroting what he's been told to say.
Chef Jim Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Doc said: No one and there aren't. Scraps is just parroting what he's been told to say. And so what if there are lethal side effects. Pretty much every prescribed medication does. Jesus that's the longest part of prescription med commercials is the listing of the side effects. May cause........................................
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And so what if there are lethal side effects. No point in trying to convince you of anything. You don't care if people die. 1
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And so what if there are lethal side effects. Pretty much every prescribed medication does. Jesus that's the longest part of prescription med commercials is the listing of the side effects. May cause........................................ Yeah, SIDE EFFECTS is a stupid argument because the drug is used by millions daily and has been for decades without a care about the side effects before, for conditions that won't kill you/as quickly as Wuhan virus can. Whenever someone uses it, I know what they are and dismiss them for it. Just now, Scraps said: No point in trying to convince you of anything. You don't care if people die. Oh, the hypocrisy! Edited April 11, 2020 by Doc 1
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Yeah, SIDE EFFECTS is a stupid argument because the drug is used by millions daily and has been for decades without a care about the side effects before, for conditions that won't kill you/as quickly as Wuhan virus can. Whenever someone uses it, I know what they are and dismiss them for it. No. It has been used under a doctors care because of the side effects. People have been taken off of it because of the side effects.
Chef Jim Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Scraps said: No point in trying to convince you of anything. You don't care if people die. So what are you trying to convince me of? I just joined this conversation. And yeah ***** it. Let them all die. Where did you get that opinion of me from. Please point out which post of mine exactly helped you to come to the conclusion that I don't care if people died. Holy hell dude. Wanting people to have access to the drug is just the opposite. I will wait patiently for your answers to my questions. This should be fun. Just now, Scraps said: No. It has been used under a doctors care because of the side effects. People have been taken off of it because of the side effects. People have been taken off of every prescribed medicine under the sun due to the side effects. Hysterical much? 1
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Scraps said: No. It has been used under a doctors care because of the side effects. People have been taken off of it because of the side effects. And that's different from every other drug...how? And again, if it's SO dangerous, why hasn't it been pulled? 2
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah, SIDE EFFECTS is a stupid argument because the drug is used by millions daily and has been for decades without a care about the side effects before, for conditions that won't kill you/as quickly as Wuhan virus can. Whenever someone uses it, I know what they are and dismiss them for it. Oh, the hypocrisy! What hyypocrisy? I've said numerous times that it should go through clinical trials and I have no problem with it being used for compassionate purposes. You just want to set any fears aside and go full bore with an unproven, potentially lethal drug. 1 minute ago, Doc said: And that's different from every other drug...how? And again, if it's SO dangerous, why hasn't it been pulled? Dude, not everything is either black or white. There are shades of gray.
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Scraps said: What hyypocrisy? I've said numerous times that it should go through clinical trials and I have no problem with it being used for compassionate purposes. You just want to set any fears aside and go full bore with an unproven, potentially lethal drug. The hypocrisy in saying you don't care if people die.
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, Doc said: The hypocrisy in saying you don't care if people die. I said that? Where?
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scraps said: I said that? Where? You said that to Chef Jim. Because he (we) want to see people being treated with a drug that is safe, considering it's being used by hundreds of millions daily, and which can prevent people from dying from Wuhan virus. 2
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc said: You said that to Chef Jim. Because he (we) want to see people being treated with a drug that is safe, considering it's being used by hundreds of millions daily, and which can prevent people from dying from Wuhan virus. What he said was "And so what if there are lethal side effects". This is a casual disregard for life. Show me where I've said I don't care if people die.
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Scraps said: What he said was "And so what if there are lethal side effects". This is a casual disregard for life. Show me where I've said I don't care if people die. You don't care because you want to deny them HCQ. And he was saying that while it has lethal side effects (like the vast majority of drugs), they are extremely rare. Otherwise the drug would not be in use today. Edited April 11, 2020 by Doc 3
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 39 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: See: Nevada and Michigan to start. They BANNED its use for a short time -- to "get Trump", then realized, "oops, it's working for a lot of people" and changed course. Why Michigan issued a reminder regarding HCQ. "The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of Michigan physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose." This takes the drug away from people who need it for other purposes or ever Covid-19, which is why some are so critical of Trump touting this drug so much. I hope this drug proves useful, but I'd like to see the people who need this drug for proven purposes, clinical trials and a ramping up of production first. 4 minutes ago, Doc said: You don't care because you want to deny them HCQ. And he was saying that while it has lethal side effects (like the vast majority of drugs), they are extremely rare. Otherwise the drug would not be in use today. Where have I ever denied HCQ to anyone. I;ve repeatedly said, including less than 1/2 hour ago to you "I've said numerous times that it should go through clinical trials and I have no problem with it being used for compassionate purposes. You just want to set any fears aside and go full bore with an unproven, potentially lethal drug."
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Scraps said: Why Michigan issued a reminder regarding HCQ. "The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of Michigan physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose." This takes the drug away from people who need it for other purposes or ever Covid-19, which is why some are so critical of Trump touting this drug so much. I hope this drug proves useful, but I'd like to see the people who need this drug for proven purposes, clinical trials and a ramping up of production first. No, people were critical because they claimed the drug was dangerous and was giving false hope. The other stuff is peripheral to that and while you are correct that the drug may be taken away from those who use it for other reasons, we're in a pandemic here. 1
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