TBBills Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: puppet masters who wanted people to die That is the definition of republicans almost word for word. I am being serious, go look at the early stages of the Covid thread. Edited February 7, 2021 by TBBills
WideNine Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Doc said: Wrong (at least according to your puppet masters who wanted people to die to make Trump look bad) and wrong. So many folks do not understand clinical trial protocol, but somehow think they should reference them to support positions. Just about any organization can register a clinical trial. Many do not even get off the ground to a phase 1, or acquire any participants and just get scrapped. That there is a clinical trial registered absolutely means squat in regards to progress, efficacy, or safety. This UK trial is limping along with little reason as a randomized trial has already been done testing hydroxychloroquine and other potential drugs and the results peer-reviewed. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/global-research-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/solidarity-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-treatments The "Oxford" site and clinical results link take you to: Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit (MORU), Faculty of Tropical Medicine, Mahidol University, 3/F, 60th Anniversary Chalermprakiat Building, 420/6 Rajvithi Road, Bangkok 10400 Thailand A bit of a saga from there. First we cover incentive. The study received 20 million from various health charity organizations, but to collect they probably need to keep going. It was shut down for a few months, but was allowed to reopen with strict guidance on dosage. They talk up 1 patient registered...I think in Pakistan. There is still no evidence of efficacy towards infection prevention. Trump used it and caught Covid-19. I have my doubts and variants would make consistent results less likely. Their last blog notes say this: "Scientifically proving that hydroxychloroquine provides even a small health benefit could save thousands of lives before vaccines become widely available, and COVID-19 brought under control." Seems to be a walk back on wide-scale benefits. NOTE: The very first thing you see on the clinical.gov site is this notice: "The safety and scientific validity of this study is the responsibility of the study sponsor and investigators. Listing a study does not mean it has been evaluated by the U.S. Federal Government. Know the risks and potential benefits of clinical studies and talk to your health care provider before participating. Read our disclaimer for details." 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Doc said: Wrong (at least according to your puppet masters who wanted people to die to make Trump look bad) and wrong. dude. GTFOOH. It’s just a little flu It will be over by Easter it will be a miracle. It will go away when the heat comes you’ll celebrate a great July 4th. it will be a miracle. It crisis will go away after the election it will be a miracle. We’re rounding the corner Late November— We’re rounding the corner Week after week in December— We’re rounding the corner Don was holding up vaccine distributions to places they spoke out against him. 20 million doses were “lost” the vaccines were delayed because Don wanted the label to say 6 doses and not 5 this is America A government of the people, by the people — Abraham Lincoln. Trumps party? You mean Trumps cult I forgot “pump sunshine” up your ass 2 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 Roll your eyes @Doc for a person in the medical profession I’m astounded that you don’t believe in the sciences. Qanon is trumps party. 2 1
SectionC3 Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: dude. GTFOOH. It’s just a little flu It will be over by Easter it will be a miracle. It will go away when the heat comes you’ll celebrate a great July 4th. it will be a miracle. It crisis will go away after the election it will be a miracle. We’re rounding the corner Late November— We’re rounding the corner Week after week in December— We’re rounding the corner Don was holding up vaccine distributions to places they spoke out against him. 20 million doses were “lost” the vaccines were delayed because Don wanted the label to say 6 doses and not 5 this is America A government of the people, by the people — Abraham Lincoln. Trumps party? You mean Trumps cult I forgot “pump sunshine” up your ass Great post. The party of Lincoln sold out and became a party of lies. MTG is applauded and Lynn Cheney is censured. Says it all. also, speaking of magical disappearances, trump is gone and we’re still dealing with this virus. So one of them magically disappeared, but the other one ... not so much. 2 1 1
T master Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) On 4/9/2020 at 9:57 AM, Magox said: I kind of view this as a poker game. On one hand you have Trump and the other you have the media. Trump looks at his hand and he thinks he has the winning hand. Whatever he is seeing, he believes he can win with. The media, not really knowing exactly what they have, other than they believe that Trump is full sh*t and lies all the time, believe that whatever Trump believes is wrong. This is truly one of the biggest gambles that Trump is making, and every time he touts Hydroxychloroquine as a possible savior, he keeps upping up the ante, and the media keeps calling him. If Trump ends up being right on this, it vastly improves his chances at winning the November elections because he could then say that: A) I banned China Travel that saved thousands of lives, when Biden and everyone else was against it. B) I promoted Hydroxychloroquine despite all the negative press. And I was right, they were wrong. I saved thousands and thousands of lives. Thank God that doctors listened to me. It will be a powerful fact that he will be able to weaponize against Biden and the media. On the other hand, if he is wrong. The amount of criticism he will get from the press will be almost unbearable. It will be played on loop all the way till the day of the elections. He can recover, but it will hurt. With all that said, this is a sad state of affairs that this is a political matter. It's only political because Trump is promoting it and the media hates him. At a time when there is a pandemic raging throughout the world, prescribing a relatively safe drug that has shown strong anecdotal instances of helping people, I don't see how anyone could be against doctors prescribing a potentially life-saving drug that has minimal health risks on an off-label prescription. This is up to doctors and their relationship with their patients. It's mind boggling, and it truly is yet another example of the corporate establishment media being a broken entity. https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/custom_videos/the-stand-the-truth-about-the-covid-19-vaccine/ Must watch but keep a open mind but information is power & Disinformation effects all of us . Edited February 8, 2021 by T master
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 Yet another simple topic made impossibly difficult by the non-stop bickering. A segment of the population favored playing defense with distancing, masks, shut-downs, that in essence put the people on the run. Another segment was more eager to play offense, with medications and therapies that might put the virus on the run. Neither side is totally wrong and neither side is totally right. Every single topic does not need to put everyone at each other's throats!
SectionC3 Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yet another simple topic made impossibly difficult by the non-stop bickering. A segment of the population favored playing defense with distancing, masks, shut-downs, that in essence put the people on the run. Another segment was more eager to play offense, with medications and therapies that might put the virus on the run. Neither side is totally wrong and neither side is totally right. Every single topic does not need to put everyone at each other's throats! There’s truth to this. In NYS, the defense was absolutely appropriate at the outset of the pandemic. Now, defense is still warranted, but maybe in a more surgical or thoughtful fashion. The recent NYSSCT cases in Erie County illustrate as much; the science behind some of the closure policies is either lacking or non-existent. You and I part ways on the masking issue, I suspect. I think therapeutics are important to functioning in a post-COVID world (maybe you heard CNBC this morning; issue came up). But I firmly believe distancing and masking are essential until we get closer to critical mass vaccination and concomitant herd immunity. Edited February 8, 2021 by SectionC3
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: There’s truth to this. In NYS, the defense was absolutely appropriate at the outset of the pandemic. Now, defense is still warranted, but maybe in a more surgical or thoughtful fashion. The recent NYSSCT cases in Erie County illustrate as much; the science behind some of the closure policies is either lacking or non-existent. You and I part ways on the masking issue, I suspect. I think therapeutics are important to functioning in a post-COVID world (maybe you heard CNBC this morning; issue came up). But I firmly believe distancing and masking are essential until we get closer to critical mass vaccination and concomitant herd immunity. We part ways? I'm not an anti-masker nor an anti-distancer. I just said neither side or either wholly right or wholly wrong. I do know that you can't rely solely on masking and distancing. It will take way more than that to get this totally behind us.
SectionC3 Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 48 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: We part ways? I'm not an anti-masker nor an anti-distancer. I just said neither side or either wholly right or wholly wrong. I do know that you can't rely solely on masking and distancing. It will take way more than that to get this totally behind us. Good to know. Agree that masks and distancing along won’t be enough. Vax, therapeutics, effective and cheap rapid testing and common sense behavior (moving to Zoom, limiting tube commutes, etc.) all are key.
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 3 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Good to know. Agree that masks and distancing along won’t be enough. Vax, therapeutics, effective and cheap rapid testing and common sense behavior (moving to Zoom, limiting tube commutes, etc.) all are key. Well, I'm not sure we agree on everything. We had a thriving civilization prior to the pandemic. I'm not ready to give that up just yet. Not because of a once in a century pandemic anyway. All of this zooming is making everyone, including myself, a bit on edge.
Big Blitz Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Good to know. Agree that masks and distancing along won’t be enough. Vax, therapeutics, effective and cheap rapid testing and common sense behavior (moving to Zoom, limiting tube commutes, etc.) all are key. Oh? We're back to trying to eradicate it again? And how long you suspect we do this for? 15 days? 45? Edited February 8, 2021 by Big Blitz
SectionC3 Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Oh? We're back to trying to eradicate it again? And how long you suspect we do this for? 15 days? 45? I'd like to substantively respond, but this post is gibberish. I don't have the ability to meaningfully respond to such things. Edited February 9, 2021 by SectionC3
Big Blitz Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 44 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: I'd like to substantively respond, but this post is gibberish. I don't have the ability to meaningfully respond to such things. Incredible. Is it ability to or inability to? These questions couldn't possibly be more straightforward. Asking how long you think society can keep this up is gibberish? Asking how long we're supposed to be living that distanced half or zero capacity life for is gibberish? These are the only f...ing questions anyone should be asking.
SectionC3 Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 31 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Incredible. Is it ability to or inability to? These questions couldn't possibly be more straightforward. Asking how long you think society can keep this up is gibberish? Asking how long we're supposed to be living that distanced half or zero capacity life for is gibberish? These are the only f...ing questions anyone should be asking. Whatever it is that you tried to say was presented through gibberish. I don't pretend to understand gibberish. If you can articulate your thoughts clearly, then we can have a conversation.
Big Blitz Posted February 9, 2021 Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Whatever it is that you tried to say was presented through gibberish. And how long you suspect we do this for? 15 days? 45? 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: I don't pretend to understand gibberish. If you can articulate your thoughts clearly, then we can have a conversation. Asking how long you think society can keep this up is not gibberish. What are the magic metrics for when this is over? Because we were told the deal was to flatten curves and not overwhelm hospitals. Is it too much to get people in charge to admit distancing and masks are permanent?
oldmanfan Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 18 hours ago, Big Blitz said: And how long you suspect we do this for? 15 days? 45? Asking how long you think society can keep this up is not gibberish. What are the magic metrics for when this is over? Because we were told the deal was to flatten curves and not overwhelm hospitals. Is it too much to get people in charge to admit distancing and masks are permanent? They are not permanent. Quit acting like a child. They will last until we get enough vaccinations to limit the spread of the disease. I cannot tell you for sure what metric they will use at the CDC, but they will in fact have one. You talk about schools a lot. And the current administration wants kids back in schools and is working to make that so. 1
Big Blitz Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: They are not permanent. See below Quote I cannot tell you for sure what metric they will use at the CDC, but they will in fact have one. Lololol that's a problem. We've gone from 15 days to "ok but they are not permanent." Quote And the current administration wants kids back in schools and is working to make that so. I'm glad they "want" to that's nice. Edited February 10, 2021 by Big Blitz
oldmanfan Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: See below Lololol that's a problem. We've gone from 15 days to "ok but they not permanent." I'm glad they "want" to that's nice. They want funding for schools to make sure they have the required supplies and such to keep everyone safe. They are accelerating vaccine usage; I think teachers should be essential workers. As these get instituted the administration and CDC have said elementary and junior high should be going back, and I think you're starting to see that happen.
SoCal Deek Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: They want funding for schools to make sure they have the required supplies and such to keep everyone safe. They are accelerating vaccine usage; I think teachers should be essential workers. As these get instituted the administration and CDC have said elementary and junior high should be going back, and I think you're starting to see that happen. We’re not trying to keep people from getting infected. We’re trying to keep people from dying. It seems like you vaccinate the elderly first, and then start expanding out from there. No?
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