MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, shoshin said: Graduation speech from yesterday given at the U of Arts and Sciences: Armed with the skill set comes from studies at the University of Sciences, many of you will become involved on the front line in this and future threats to public health. It’s not enough that this be some of your vocational pursuit. It must also be all of your civic duty. Even before the pandemic, we were experiencing an ignorance and debasement of science. The most pressing questions of our time...were too often being solved with ideology and not evidence. You want to know the 5 words I’d like to hear more often from elected officials: “What does the data say?" The pandemic has magnified the illogic of the status quo. Consider the career experience of the current United States Senate. Of the one- hundred “representatives,” only six report experience in science or medicine. Forty- nine have law degrees. There are just as many real estate agents and developers – five - as there are health care professionals. In a time when we need quick and correct action on matters of public health, only 5 percent of Senators have any experience working in it. It is no wonder when confronted with a pandemic our government “experts” turned to the experts in your fields for answers. How great it would be if the office holders were the experts! If the vast majority of our elected leaders were scientists and doctors, we would be in lockdown until we finally found a vaccine. Some of the biggest mistakes during this crisis lay at the feet of the scientists who made the projection models. Not saying it isnt helpful to have diversity in the makeup of govt though. Edited May 21, 2020 by MILFHUNTER#518 Added content 1 1
shoshin Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 40 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: If the vast majority of our elected leaders were scientists and doctors, we would be in lockdown until we finally found a vaccine. Some of the biggest mistakes during this crisis lay at the feet of the scientists who made the projection models. Not true. Plenty of doctors and epidemiologists think we should be back to work. 40 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Not saying it isnt helpful to have diversity in the makeup of govt though. That's the point. They are way underrepresented in positions of political leadership.
B-Man Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 THE NOT SO GREAT HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE DEBATE So, President Trump says he’s taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventive measure against contracting the Wuhan coronavirus. You have to give him credit. He has the courage of his convictions. Actually, it doesn’t require courage to take hydroxychloroquine as a preventative measure. The drug has been widely used to treat malaria and lupus for many decades. Like virtually every medication, it has side effects. However, it is not dangerous. The FDA recently said there are elevated risks associated with COVID-19 patients taking hydroxychloroquine. This may (or may not) be true, but Trump is not a COVID-19 patient. Does hydroxychloroquine help prevent becoming infected with the virus? I’m not aware of any evidence that it does. To me, then, it seems that Trump is taking, essentially, a no-risk, no-reward measure. So, why the fuss? We know why. Because anything the president says or does will create a fuss. Even so, it surprises me a little that Democrats, the media, and the rest of the left have made hydroxychloroquine into such a battleground. My strong impression is that some Dems and media types would rather see people die than see Trump vindicated on even this one point. The glee oozes from mainstream reports claiming, prematurely, that the drug has been shown not to work. The hydroxychloroquine debate has also provided the Speaker of the House with the opportunity to call the President of the United States “morbidly obese.” The President responded by calling the Speaker a “sick women” with “mental problems.” Is this a great country, or what? How did the hydroxychloroquine controversy begin? It began with Trump touting the drug. But what, exactly, did he say? Most mainstream media reports say Trump called the drug a “game changer.” You have to search hard to find his actual quote. It was that hydroxychloroquine, taken along with the antibiotic azithromycin, has “a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.” Trump never called hydroxychloroquine a “game changer.” He only said it had a real chance to be. More at the link 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 But it'll kill you... Again, the giveaway is HOW HARD they're trying to sell the fear of a drug that's been on the market, and safely used, for decades. Identify who in the media/congress/leadership is pushing that fear, and you'll identify who the enemies are. 5
Doc Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 5 hours ago, B-Man said: THE NOT SO GREAT HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE DEBATE So, President Trump says he’s taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventive measure against contracting the Wuhan coronavirus. You have to give him credit. He has the courage of his convictions. Actually, it doesn’t require courage to take hydroxychloroquine as a preventative measure. The drug has been widely used to treat malaria and lupus for many decades. Like virtually every medication, it has side effects. However, it is not dangerous. The FDA recently said there are elevated risks associated with COVID-19 patients taking hydroxychloroquine. This may (or may not) be true, but Trump is not a COVID-19 patient. Does hydroxychloroquine help prevent becoming infected with the virus? I’m not aware of any evidence that it does. To me, then, it seems that Trump is taking, essentially, a no-risk, no-reward measure. So, why the fuss? We know why. Because anything the president says or does will create a fuss. Even so, it surprises me a little that Democrats, the media, and the rest of the left have made hydroxychloroquine into such a battleground. My strong impression is that some Dems and media types would rather see people die than see Trump vindicated on even this one point. The glee oozes from mainstream reports claiming, prematurely, that the drug has been shown not to work. The hydroxychloroquine debate has also provided the Speaker of the House with the opportunity to call the President of the United States “morbidly obese.” The President responded by calling the Speaker a “sick women” with “mental problems.” Is this a great country, or what? How did the hydroxychloroquine controversy begin? It began with Trump touting the drug. But what, exactly, did he say? Most mainstream media reports say Trump called the drug a “game changer.” You have to search hard to find his actual quote. It was that hydroxychloroquine, taken along with the antibiotic azithromycin, has “a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.” Trump never called hydroxychloroquine a “game changer.” He only said it had a real chance to be. More at the link Been saying that for weeks now. There is no other explanation for it. 3
Reality Check Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 Chinese money washing through major pharmaceutical companies and paying for advertising everywhere is a big incentive to squash having any discussion on a drug that they do not own the patent on. The situation is not complicated. 1 1
Doc Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Reality Check said: Chinese money washing through major pharmaceutical companies and paying for advertising everywhere is a big incentive to squash having any discussion on a drug that they do not own the patent on. The situation is not complicated. That's what I figured Cavuto's angle was when he had that horrible segment claiming HCQ "WILL KILL YOU." Doofus. 1 1
Doc Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, Albwan said: oopsie...this isn't going to go well for Amy.... No doubt many have taken it. But obviously won't/wouldn't admit it. 3
B-Man Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 50 minutes ago, Albwan said: oopsie...this isn't going to go well for Amy.... I would say, in the real world, this would be a problem for AMY But in Lefty/media world................they can simply ignore the hypocrisy of any democrat they want. 1
keepthefaith Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 11 hours ago, shoshin said: It's a rising issue because so many people are trying to bring back the oldies like the measles and TB...maybe get the polio band back together since they've dropped off the radar. It's impressive that it's only taken a decade or so for the once-nearly-eradicated diseases to get traction in the US. Yes with a big assist to our loose immigration practices which have imported numerous cases of these diseases and others. 1 1
Prickly Pete Posted May 21, 2020 Posted May 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Yes with a big assist to our loose immigration practices which have imported numerous cases of these diseases and others. Shoshin likes to leave out the "problematic" aspects. 1
Reality Check Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: Yes with a big assist to our loose immigration practices which have imported numerous cases of these diseases and others. This omission reveals perhaps an agenda. There are many strains of the same disease that are separated by geography. Measles as an example has multiple strains, some that are quite virulent. That is why many people who had their immunizations for Measles got infected with these new strains. With the border crisis over the years and trends towards sanctuary cities for illegals from around the world, it amazes me how some people act surprised that these diseases are making a comeback when geographic isolation of such illnesses are eliminated. TB from these countries exported into America will be in the news over the next few years, and sadly you will see even more deaths as a result.
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 Antimalarial drug touted by Trump is linked to increased risk of death in virus patients A study of 96,000 patients shows that those treated with hydroxychloriquine or the closely related drug chloroquine were also more likely to suffer irregular heart rhythms that can lead to sudden cardiac death. By Ariana Eunjung Cha and Laurie McGinley 2 hours ago
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Doc said: "Or the closely related drug chloroquine..." Trump knows the difference! ?
Taro T Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Doc said: "Or the closely related drug chloroquine..." Yeah, gotta love English majors shouting "trust the science." 1 1
Tiberius Posted May 22, 2020 Posted May 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Taro T said: Yeah, gotta love English majors shouting "trust the science." Better yet, Trump supporters shouting "Fauci is a deep stater!" 1
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