keepthefaith Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) On 4/22/2020 at 12:49 AM, daz28 said: I'm glad you're not my doctor. It is estimated that only 12% of Americans are zinc deficient. There's also stuff like this, but keep grasping at straws: Large doses of zinc prevent your digestive tract from absorbing copper from your diet, so regularly taking too much zinc depletes your body's copper levels. Copper deficiency can lower your white blood cell count, putting you at increased risk of an infection, since white blood cells make up a part of your immune system. Low copper levels also negatively affect your red blood cells, preventing proper oxygen transport and causing anemia. Zinc has been shown to interact with various prescription medicines. For example, take it with tetracycline or quinolone antibiotics such as ciprofloxacin (Cipro and generic) and you’ll reduce the amount of both the zinc and the antibiotic that your body absorbs. It can also interfere with the absorption of penicillamine (Cuprimine, Depen), a drug used to treat rheumatoid arthritis and Wilson’s disease (a rare genetic disorder). Expand Many companies make a combination Zinc/Copper supplement for this reason. In terms of treating Covid-19, the Zinc usage is short term. Edited April 22, 2020 by keepthefaith 2
shoshin Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 8:04 PM, spartacus said: their "bigger" study will have 450 patients, tailored to meet the pre-ordained, desired result Definitely enough to try to bury this cure, since it is a double blind study maybe they should just track the success rate of people recovering from the virus after taking the drug Expand Most people recover, which is why the double blind test is so critical. Giving people HCQ and seeing them do better is what would happen whether most of them had HCQ or not. Hopefully the double blind study will show that HCQ makes a difference.
Boatdrinks Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 1:20 AM, daz28 said: I'm positive he said it couldn't hurt you. Now some people are smart enough to listen to their doctor, but the Trump counter-culture believes him above all others, even when it contradicts fact. Expand The side effects are well known, as the drug has been around for years. Trump may have said / implied it couldn’t hurt when there are no known treatments. 1
Doc Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 1:11 AM, meazza said: Pretty sure he never told people to take it without a prescription from a doctor. Expand It's implicit. Because the first question one would ask is "how do I get some?" The answer would be "from your doctor."
LeGOATski Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 1:28 AM, Boatdrinks said: Be prepared to wait a long , long time. There may not be a vaccine for years, if ever. Is there a vaccine for any other known Corona virus ? I mean , there’s a flu shot but it doesn’t make you immune to the flu. Expand I'm prepared! Luckily, there's been no shortage of my favorite beverages
Chef Jim Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 12:41 AM, LeGOATski said: Following your doctor's orders was always the right advice, lol. Expand I’m not sure if this is sarcasm but if not I vehemently disagree.
Gene Frenkle Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 8:43 PM, Doc said: Ugh. That study (also) isn't using zinc. Expand As a doc, how can you even say this? You don't trust that the specialists who design these studies know better than you, an anesthesiologist? Are you that far up Trump's ass? I'm genuinely amazed by this attitude coming from an MD. 1 1
LeGOATski Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 2:01 AM, Chef Jim said: I’m not sure if this is sarcasm but if not I vehemently disagree. Expand Okay
Chef Jim Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) On 4/22/2020 at 2:10 AM, LeGOATski said: Okay Expand Have you agreed with everything every doctor you’ve had told you. Edited April 22, 2020 by Chef Jim
Warren Zevon Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 2:09 AM, Gene Frenkle said: As a doc, how can you even say this? You don't trust that the specialists who design these studies know better than you, an anesthesiologist? Are you that far up Trump's ass? I'm genuinely amazed by this attitude coming from an MD. Expand Your final question hits the nail square on the head.
Doc Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 2:09 AM, Gene Frenkle said: As a doc, how can you even say this? You don't trust that the specialists who design these studies know better than you, an anesthesiologist? Are you that far up Trump's ass? I'm genuinely amazed by this attitude coming from an MD. Expand Yes, this is only about Trump. 1
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 3:09 AM, Doc said: Yes, this is only about Trump. Expand No, it's about you defending his irresponsible remarks after the evidence to the contrary has been supplied to you. He's not a doctor, and he's not real smart, but you ARE a doctor. You should be smarter, and you should have known better.
Doc Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) On 4/22/2020 at 3:26 AM, daz28 said: No, it's about you defending his irresponsible remarks after the evidence to the contrary has been supplied to you. He's not a doctor, and he's not real smart, but you ARE a doctor. You should be smarter, and you should have known better. Expand Yeah, Trump just pulled HCQ out of his ass. Give me to a study that uses zinc. Which, as I've said a thousand times, is important. And which, BTW, Trump never mentioned (hmmmm...). Edited April 22, 2020 by Doc
daz28 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 3:29 AM, Doc said: Yeah, Trump just pulled HCQ out of his ass. Give me to a study that uses zinc. Which, as I've said a thousand times, is important. And which, BTW, Trump never mentioned (hmmmm...). Expand Actually, I'd like YOU to provide ME with some data that would make me want to believe you over a panel of NIH infectious disease experts who have advised against using the cocktail. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I'm saying you're pulling your ideas out of your ass pretty much like Trump did, while the experts say different. Stop watching Hannity. 2 1
Joe Miner Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 Do we realize that neither side has actually conducted enough clinical trials to determine the effectiveness of this 1 way or another? But it is funny that the idiots screaming about Trump promoting something unproven are also promoting something unproven. 2
shoshin Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 11:44 AM, Joe Miner said: Do we realize that neither side has actually conducted enough clinical trials to determine the effectiveness of this 1 way or another? But it is funny that the idiots screaming about Trump promoting something unproven are also promoting something unproven. Expand I’ve only seen the clinical trials showing one result sadly. Bigger trials are needed with double blinding but the initial results are not positive. There have been lots of stories about HCQ but no trials showing it’s effective. The initial results on Remsidivir, however, are very promising.
BillsFanNC Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 11:44 AM, Joe Miner said: Do we realize that neither side has actually conducted enough clinical trials to determine the effectiveness of this 1 way or another? But it is funny that the idiots screaming about Trump promoting something unproven are also promoting something unproven. Expand Amen. As a scientist who has developed testing for other diseases on the very same platforms currently being used for covid19 diagnostics and serology this whole situation is disgusting. I always knew that Americans in general were woefully inept in understanding how actual science works, but when you toss in all the partisan rancor on top of the scientific ignorance it creates the ***** show we are currently witnessing. From BOTH sides.
TH3 Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 12:03 PM, BillsFanNC said: Amen. As a scientist who has developed testing for other diseases on the very same platforms currently being used for covid19 diagnostics and serology this whole situation is disgusting. I always knew that Americans in general were woefully inept in understanding how actual science works, but when you toss in all the partisan rancor on top of the scientific ignorance it creates the ***** show we are currently witnessing. From BOTH sides. Expand True....but trump got the ball rolling playing advocate and doctor
Joe Miner Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/22/2020 at 12:06 PM, TH3 said: True....but trump got the ball rolling playing advocate and doctor Expand At least your hypocricy is justified ?
Foxx Posted April 22, 2020 Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/21/2020 at 11:50 PM, LeGOATski said: It has to be with zinc now? Lol, this ***** is so crazy. Can't wait for that vaccine... Expand Bill Gates would be proud.
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