Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:38 PM, Doc said: Oh, my bad. I didn't realize you were (still) one of them. No wonder you haven't seen it. Again, it's not unproven and there is no other treatment. And if the side effects are so bad, let's pull it off the shelves right now. Sound good? Expand There are other potential treatments. Even your man Donald Trump mentioned some of them yesterday. There is a reason this drug is not OTC. Its because of the potentially lethal side effects. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:40 PM, Scraps said: There are other potential treatments. Even your man Donald Trump mentioned some of them yesterday. There is a reason this drug is not OTC. Its because of the potentially lethal side effects. Expand No one has ever argued there aren't other treatments. No one has ever argued there aren't side effects (to most medications). The truth is, Trump was right. The drug is helping a lot of people. And there is a large contingent in the media and partisan politics (but I repeat myself) who'd rather see Trump be wrong and people die than for Trump to be right and people to live. Don't be one of those fools. Be better than that.
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:42 PM, Deranged Rhino said: No one has ever argued there aren't other treatments. Expand Doc did. He wrote "it's not unproven and there is no other treatment". Are you going to call him out?
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:40 PM, Scraps said: There are other potential treatments. Even your man Donald Trump mentioned some of them yesterday. There is a reason this drug is not OTC. Its because of the potentially lethal side effects. Expand There were no other treatments when Trump started touting it and at present, convalescent plasma is in very short supply. Good luck getting any if you get Wuhan virus. And it's OTC. Just find some fish tank cleaner... 1 1 1 1
Chef Jim Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:40 PM, Scraps said: There is a reason this drug is not OTC. Its because of the potentially lethal side effects. Expand Who's saying it needs to be OTC. And what are these LETHAL side effects you talk about??
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:49 PM, Chef Jim said: Who's saying it needs to be OTC. And what are these LETHAL side effects you talk about?? Expand No one and there aren't. Scraps is just parroting what he's been told to say.
Chef Jim Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:53 PM, Doc said: No one and there aren't. Scraps is just parroting what he's been told to say. Expand And so what if there are lethal side effects. Pretty much every prescribed medication does. Jesus that's the longest part of prescription med commercials is the listing of the side effects. May cause........................................
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:55 PM, Chef Jim said: And so what if there are lethal side effects. Expand No point in trying to convince you of anything. You don't care if people die. 1
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) On 4/11/2020 at 6:55 PM, Chef Jim said: And so what if there are lethal side effects. Pretty much every prescribed medication does. Jesus that's the longest part of prescription med commercials is the listing of the side effects. May cause........................................ Expand Yeah, SIDE EFFECTS is a stupid argument because the drug is used by millions daily and has been for decades without a care about the side effects before, for conditions that won't kill you/as quickly as Wuhan virus can. Whenever someone uses it, I know what they are and dismiss them for it. On 4/11/2020 at 6:58 PM, Scraps said: No point in trying to convince you of anything. You don't care if people die. Expand Oh, the hypocrisy! Edited April 11, 2020 by Doc 1
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:58 PM, Doc said: Yeah, SIDE EFFECTS is a stupid argument because the drug is used by millions daily and has been for decades without a care about the side effects before, for conditions that won't kill you/as quickly as Wuhan virus can. Whenever someone uses it, I know what they are and dismiss them for it. Expand No. It has been used under a doctors care because of the side effects. People have been taken off of it because of the side effects.
Chef Jim Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:58 PM, Scraps said: No point in trying to convince you of anything. You don't care if people die. Expand So what are you trying to convince me of? I just joined this conversation. And yeah ***** it. Let them all die. Where did you get that opinion of me from. Please point out which post of mine exactly helped you to come to the conclusion that I don't care if people died. Holy hell dude. Wanting people to have access to the drug is just the opposite. I will wait patiently for your answers to my questions. This should be fun. On 4/11/2020 at 7:01 PM, Scraps said: No. It has been used under a doctors care because of the side effects. People have been taken off of it because of the side effects. Expand People have been taken off of every prescribed medicine under the sun due to the side effects. Hysterical much? 1
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 7:01 PM, Scraps said: No. It has been used under a doctors care because of the side effects. People have been taken off of it because of the side effects. Expand And that's different from every other drug...how? And again, if it's SO dangerous, why hasn't it been pulled? 2
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:58 PM, Doc said: Yeah, SIDE EFFECTS is a stupid argument because the drug is used by millions daily and has been for decades without a care about the side effects before, for conditions that won't kill you/as quickly as Wuhan virus can. Whenever someone uses it, I know what they are and dismiss them for it. Oh, the hypocrisy! Expand What hyypocrisy? I've said numerous times that it should go through clinical trials and I have no problem with it being used for compassionate purposes. You just want to set any fears aside and go full bore with an unproven, potentially lethal drug. On 4/11/2020 at 7:03 PM, Doc said: And that's different from every other drug...how? And again, if it's SO dangerous, why hasn't it been pulled? Expand Dude, not everything is either black or white. There are shades of gray.
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 7:04 PM, Scraps said: What hyypocrisy? I've said numerous times that it should go through clinical trials and I have no problem with it being used for compassionate purposes. You just want to set any fears aside and go full bore with an unproven, potentially lethal drug. Expand The hypocrisy in saying you don't care if people die.
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 7:05 PM, Doc said: The hypocrisy in saying you don't care if people die. Expand I said that? Where?
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 7:06 PM, Scraps said: I said that? Where? Expand You said that to Chef Jim. Because he (we) want to see people being treated with a drug that is safe, considering it's being used by hundreds of millions daily, and which can prevent people from dying from Wuhan virus. 2
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 7:10 PM, Doc said: You said that to Chef Jim. Because he (we) want to see people being treated with a drug that is safe, considering it's being used by hundreds of millions daily, and which can prevent people from dying from Wuhan virus. Expand What he said was "And so what if there are lethal side effects". This is a casual disregard for life. Show me where I've said I don't care if people die.
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) On 4/11/2020 at 7:16 PM, Scraps said: What he said was "And so what if there are lethal side effects". This is a casual disregard for life. Show me where I've said I don't care if people die. Expand You don't care because you want to deny them HCQ. And he was saying that while it has lethal side effects (like the vast majority of drugs), they are extremely rare. Otherwise the drug would not be in use today. Edited April 11, 2020 by Doc 3
Scraps Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 6:39 PM, Deranged Rhino said: See: Nevada and Michigan to start. They BANNED its use for a short time -- to "get Trump", then realized, "oops, it's working for a lot of people" and changed course. Expand Why Michigan issued a reminder regarding HCQ. "The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of Michigan physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose." This takes the drug away from people who need it for other purposes or ever Covid-19, which is why some are so critical of Trump touting this drug so much. I hope this drug proves useful, but I'd like to see the people who need this drug for proven purposes, clinical trials and a ramping up of production first. On 4/11/2020 at 7:22 PM, Doc said: You don't care because you want to deny them HCQ. And he was saying that while it has lethal side effects (like the vast majority of drugs), they are extremely rare. Otherwise the drug would not be in use today. Expand Where have I ever denied HCQ to anyone. I;ve repeatedly said, including less than 1/2 hour ago to you "I've said numerous times that it should go through clinical trials and I have no problem with it being used for compassionate purposes. You just want to set any fears aside and go full bore with an unproven, potentially lethal drug."
Doc Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 7:24 PM, Scraps said: Why Michigan issued a reminder regarding HCQ. "The Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs has received multiple allegations of Michigan physicians inappropriately prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to themselves, family, friends, and/or coworkers without a legitimate medical purpose." This takes the drug away from people who need it for other purposes or ever Covid-19, which is why some are so critical of Trump touting this drug so much. I hope this drug proves useful, but I'd like to see the people who need this drug for proven purposes, clinical trials and a ramping up of production first. Expand No, people were critical because they claimed the drug was dangerous and was giving false hope. The other stuff is peripheral to that and while you are correct that the drug may be taken away from those who use it for other reasons, we're in a pandemic here. 1
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