Cinga Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:19 PM, Deranged Rhino said: I live in CA. Do you? Were you here in 2018? If not, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Expand But I thought @Motorin' was a Coronavirus/UFO/Climate Change/Election Process expert?
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 2:46 PM, IDBillzFan said: This just tells me you have no understanding of how ballot harvesting works. It doesn't make you wrong so much as opinionated on something you don't understand. Here is a nice story from the San Francisco Chronicle, which you will agree is no right wing nutbag publication. Educate, then opine. It happens in CA and if it happened country-wide, it would be the end of responsible voting as we know it because both sides would do it to a fault. Expand Nice article. Did you read it? I see no where in the definition of "harvesting" anything necessarily fraudulent. There is no charge of stealing ballots, changing ballots or inserting dead people's ballots. It sounds like a super aggressive way to turn out the vote. If you're going to claim that anyone took the signed and sealed ballots and altered them, you need this thing called evidence. On 5/13/2020 at 4:19 PM, Deranged Rhino said: I live in CA. Do you? Were you here in 2018? If not, then you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Expand I'd love to see if evidence that any votes were altered, stolen or otherwise fraudulent. And if they were, those people should absolutely go to jail. On 5/13/2020 at 4:26 PM, Cinga said: But I thought @Motorin' was a Coronavirus/UFO/Climate Change/Election Process expert? Expand Sick burn bro. Too bad I'm not an expert on satanic sex cults and the governments they control, you guys would totally accept me then.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:27 PM, Motorin' said: I'd love to see if evidence that any votes were altered, stolen or otherwise fraudulent. And if they were, those people should absolutely go to jail. Expand There was TONS of videos in 2018 of people going door to door harvesting ballots only to toss them or change them. The internet is forever. Take a spin on the wayback machine and take a gander. Ballot Harvesting (which is legal in CA) is legalized cheating in its implementation.
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:31 PM, Deranged Rhino said: There was TONS of videos in 2018 of people going door to door harvesting ballots only to toss them or change them. The internet is forever. Take a spin on the wayback machine and take a gander. Ballot Harvesting (which is legal in CA) is legalized cheating in its implementation. Expand Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones.
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:27 PM, Motorin' said: Nice article. Did you read it? I see no where in the definition of "harvesting" anything necessarily fraudulent. There is no charge of stealing ballots, changing ballots or inserting dead people's ballots. Expand I never said it was fraudulent in CA. It's actually perfectly legal. Including the ability to get the person to sign the ballot and let the person collecting the ballot fill it out for them. What I said was it was the way to disenfranchise your vote. 1 1
B-Man Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/11/2020 at 3:48 PM, B-Man said: JOHN FUND: Mail-In Ballots are a Recipe for Confusion, Coercion and Fraud. Expand FTA “ballot harvesting,” whereby political operatives go door-to-door collecting ballots that they then deliver to election officials. All of these would dramatically reduce safeguards protecting election integrity. California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, signed an executive order requiring that every registered voter — including those listed as “inactive” — be mailed a ballot this November. This could be a disaster waiting to happen. Los Angeles County (population 10 million) has a registration rate of 112 percent of its adult citizen population. More than one out of every five L.A. County registrations probably belongs to a voter who has moved, or who is deceased or otherwise ineligible. Just last January, the public-interest law firm Judicial Watch reached a settlement agreement with the State of California and L.A. County officials to begin removing as many as 1.5 million inactive voters whose registrations may be invalid. Neither state nor county officials in California have been removing inactive voters from the rolls for 20 years, even though the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed last year, in Husted v. Randolph Institute, a case about Ohio’s voter-registration laws, that federal law “makes this removal mandatory.” Experts have long cautioned against wholesale use of mail ballots, which are cast outside the scrutiny of election officials. “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud,” was the conclusion of the bipartisan 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former president Jimmy Carter and former secretary of state James Baker. That remains true today. In 2012, a Miami–Dade County Grand Jury issued a public report recommending that Florida change its law to prohibit “ballot harvesting” unless the ballots are “those of the voter and members of the voter’s immediate family.” “Once that ballot is out of the hands of the elector, we have no idea what happens to it,” they pointed out. “The possibilities are numerous and scary.” Indeed. In 2018, a political consultant named Leslie McCrae Dowless and seven others were indicted on charges of “scheming to illegally collect, fill in, forge and submit mail-in ballots” to benefit Republican congressional candidate Mark Harris, the Washington Post reported. The fraud was extensive enough that Harris’s 900-vote victory was invalidated by the courts and the race was rerun. (neither side can be trusted with this loose balloting) Texas has a long history of intimidation and coercion involving absentee ballots. The abuse of elderly voters is so pervasive that Omar Escobar, the Democratic district attorney of Starr County, Texas, says, “The time has come to consider an alternative to mail-in voting.” Escobar says it needs to be replaced with “something that can’t be hijacked.” But, hey, what do those folks know............... . 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:36 PM, Motorin' said: Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? Expand Nope. On 5/13/2020 at 4:36 PM, Motorin' said: As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones Expand They exist on this board. Do your own homework, Sue.
Cinga Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:36 PM, Motorin' said: Aren't you the guy who believed the internet video by the kid who couldn't get in the front door of the hospital that he proved the hospital was empty? As far as the proof of cheating, if you know how to find them I will take a look and it may change my mind. Give me your best ones. Expand Here is some ballot fraud going on right now in NJ. About 6 percent of the ballots have been set aside so far. That's enough to tilt almost any election under normal circumstances. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/hundreds-of-mail-in-votes-already-set-aside-due-to-paterson-voter-fraud-claims/2414171/ Quote More than 800 mail-in votes in one of New Jersey's largest cities have already been set aside, according to a county spokesperson, as an election is marred by allegations of voter fraud. Expand 3
Warren Zevon Posted May 13, 2020 Author Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:39 PM, IDBillzFan said: Expand You going to opt out of voting next week because you are anti-mail in ballot? 1
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:39 PM, IDBillzFan said: I never said it was fraudulent in CA. It's actually perfectly legal. Including the ability to get the person to sign the ballot and let the person collecting the ballot fill it out for them. What I said was it was the way to disenfranchise your vote. Expand Is that actually true? Or an assumption?
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:40 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Nope. They exist on this board. Do your own homework, Sue. Expand Who you calling Sue? I'll sue you, for punative damages! https://youtu.be/QhjBlPucpd0 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:58 PM, Motorin' said: Who you calling Sue? I'll sue you, for punative damages! https://youtu.be/QhjBlPucpd0 Expand You. And if you learn the history of TSW, you'll understand the reference
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 4:48 PM, Motorin' said: Is that actually true? Or an assumption? Expand It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. 2 1
Joe Miner Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 5:06 PM, IDBillzFan said: It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. Expand 1
Motorin' Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) On 5/13/2020 at 5:06 PM, IDBillzFan said: It is true that you can sign your ballot and let someone fill it in for you? Yes. Is it true that it disenfranchises your vote? Yes. Expand When I've voted by mail, the signature on the envelope required me to affirm that I was the only person to mark and seal the ballot. It looks like the California ballot requires voters to affirm that they placed the ballot in the envelope. Does federal election law stipulate whether or not it is legal to allow others to vote for you? Have the courts ruled on this? If it does exist in federal law, and I suspect that it does, that would superviene on California's election process, making it a crime to vote for someone else. I'm having a hard time tracking down in California's election law where it specifically allows for another to vote for you. If it doesn't exist, I would support federal legislation making it illegal to vote for someone else. If only the Republicans and Democrats could have worked on a bill that stipulated that it was illegal to mark someone else's ballot as vote by mail expands during coronavirus! Edited May 13, 2020 by Motorin'
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 8:00 PM, Motorin' said: It looks like the California ballot requires voters to affirm that they placed the ballot in the envelope. Expand Well, that solves that, then. Zero chance of tampering and fraud, because of the affirmations! 5
Taro T Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/14/2020 at 12:20 AM, Koko78 said: Well, that solves that, then. Zero chance of tampering and fraud, because of the affirmations! Expand If only somebody had been smart enough to put up a sign stating "this is an election fraud free state" then ALL the people looking to game the system would finally be thwarted. It worked with guns. Right? 2
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/14/2020 at 12:39 AM, Taro T said: If only somebody had been smart enough to put up a sign stating "this is an election fraud free state" then ALL the people looking to game the system would finally be thwarted. It worked with guns. Right? Expand And drugs.
Taro T Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 On 5/14/2020 at 1:27 AM, Koko78 said: And drugs. Expand True.
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