C.Biscuit97 Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hmm. I think in that second half of 00s we just had more bad picks. Draft after draft was terrible. Definitely some bad picks. But was there anything worst than Chandler Jones for Jonathan Cooper? If the Bills made that trade, that would be a pinned topic haha. the team with the greatest qb ever has spent him picks on Dobson, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, Dave Thomas, Bethel Johnson. Awful, awful picks and Brady just covered them up.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: Mike Williams Whitner McCargo Edwards Parrish Troup Maybin in that order Forgot Troup. I can't hate the Mike Williams pick other than Bryant McKinnie should have been the choice. Mike Williams was considered a can't miss top 10 prospect.
GunnerBill Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Definitely some bad picks. But was there anything worst than Chandler Jones for Jonathan Cooper? If the Bills made that trade, that would be a pinned topic haha. the team with the greatest qb ever has spent him picks on Dobson, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, Dave Thomas, Bethel Johnson. Awful, awful picks and Brady just covered them up. They also drafted a lot of very good players in that run late 00s and early 10s. The foundation of the 2nd dynasty. When they were drafting poorly they were losing playoff games to the Jets and the Chargers even with the GOAT.
Numark3 Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 5:32 AM, BuffaloBills1998 said: With the draft coming up I wanted to know some of your guys lists on the worst players we ever drafted here. mine starts off with Aaron Maybin, Mike Williams, Willis McGahee, CJ spiller, JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Dante Whitner, Erik Flowers, James Hardy, and John McCargo, EJ Manuel etc I disagree with Trent Edwards, a decent Qb (until his injury) that was drafted late. also, I’d add Troup as the big omission.
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Crayola64 said: I disagree with Trent Edwards, a decent Qb (until his injury) that was drafted late. also, I’d add Troup as the big omission. It’s a common fan misnomer that Trent was different before and after the concussion. He wasn’t. He was always a 1 TD, 1 Int QB for about 160 yards a game. Stylistically, he never changed from a check down manager. So like many Bills teams from 2005 - 2018 they didn’t score enough to threaten good teams. 1
BillsFan17 Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Forgot Troup. I can't hate the Mike Williams pick other than Bryant McKinnie should have been the choice. Mike Williams was considered a can't miss top 10 prospect. Well, at this stage we have to decipher which is theoretically worse. Reaching for a bad player, or a censuses player flopping. I think when you also factor in how highly Williams was picked, its vastly more damaging, in turn that's what give it the edge for me one of the worst picks.
spartacus Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 21 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Mckelvin was the clear cut #1 corner. His physicality, speed , and traits were all damn good and teams wanted to hit on a lockdown guy And he had all pro return ability He never turned out 100% like they wanted but he definitely became a very steady corner over time, with some good ball skills the problem with most of the press cover CBs drafted high by the Bills is that they always played a soft zone with CBs 5-10 yards of the WR, thus wasting the very skill that cost them high draft picks
Bob in STL Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: 2006 draft. The 1st 4 picks. Wow. The 1st 2 picks were massive reaches in the 1st round. Donte Whitner and John McCargo. Willis McGahee also is right up there. It was a wasted pick. Unwarranted. Aaron Maybin. His own college coach said he wasn't ready. Huge red flags the Bills ignored. To top it off Orakpo looked like a can't miss prospect. Fans were actually right that year. TJ Graham. Ugh. Easy one. So excited when they traded up. I knew it was for Russell Wilson. I don't even think Graham was ranked by some. I think the Bills have had many drafts worse than 2006. Beside Whitner, we drafted Kyle Williams and Brad Butler. All solid starters. Whitner had a better career than a whole bunch of the first rounders drafted after him that year. I admit the first round was not good but unfortunately, the Bills have done worse. 1 8 Donte Whitner, DB A controversial pick for many at TBD because most did not want to see a SS picked at #8. He played 157 games in 11 seasons, and started 152 of them. He made 2 Pro Bowls, one in the AFC and one in the NFC. His level of “badness” is more TBD legend than reality. There are so many bad or failed Bills first rounder’s - Whitner is not even in the top 20. 1 26 John McCargo, DT Total Bust 3 70 Ashton Youboty, DB No impact, not good. 4 105 Ko Simpson, DB Played a little and was not a good player 5 134 Kyle Williams, DT One of our best All Time players 5 143 Brad Butler, OT Solid Starter – injuries cut career short 6 178 Keith Ellison, LB Solid player, backup ,and ST 7 16 Terrance Pennington, OT Backup for a short period 7 248 Aaron Merz, OG No impact
artmalibu Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 18 hours ago, Mango said: Fair point if we are casually discussing players and drafts. But to make the point about a possible HOF player and a pro bowler on a WORST DRAFT PICKS OF ALL TIME thread is so far out in left field. Your right they were very good football players!! Not busts by any means... Just a sore spot for me because I dont think they made the team better where as a first round OL could have. We had Henry when Willis was drafted We had Jackson when Lynch was drafted We had Jackson and Lynch when Spiller was drafted So WORST DRAFT PICKS OF ALL TIME to me is not just bad players that were drafted, but players who were drafted that did little to improve the team. Many of the bad players have been talked about already. Except for Derrick Burroughs, Ronnie Harmon, James Williams who were all 1st round picks.
Bill from NYC Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: I think the Bills have had many drafts worse than 2006. Beside Whitner, we drafted Kyle Williams and Brad Butler. All solid starters. Whitner had a better career than a whole bunch of the first rounders drafted after him that year. I admit the first round was not good but unfortunately, the Bills have done worse. Bob, the thing is that the 2006 draft was absolutely loaded with talent, and at positions of need for the Bills. Whitner was an ok player. He also cost the Bills approx. 36 million real cap dollars. How many games did he win for us? Whitner doesn't belong on the list because of the title of the thread, but an undersized "good" safety should not be drafted at #8. In that sense, picking Whitner was stupid and amateurish. They lucked into Kyle Williams in the 5th. Other than that the entire draft was a disgrace. Jmo.
Bill from NYC Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Forgot Troup. I can't hate the Mike Williams pick other than Bryant McKinnie should have been the choice. Mike Williams was considered a can't miss top 10 prospect. Yes he was. He was also a RT (as opposed to McKinnie being a LT) who had weight issues and a chronic ankle problem. When you weigh 360 or more pounds (which I think MW did despite his listed weight), it is hard to fix a bad ankle. I was screaming for months for the Bills to draft McKinnie. I am not supposed to know more than the Bills GM, scouting staff, and coaches. I am just so happy that times have changed.
GunnerBill Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 2006 was only the 3rd draft after I started following the NFL and before I had more than a passing interest in the draft and it certainly wasn't broadcast over here. I confess I did think when I read on the internet we had taken a safety in the 1st "oh well we did need a safey". I think with the knowledge I have now I would have hated that pick. Put Whitner in the conversation with my two least favourite picks - McKelvin and Spiller - because he could play a bit (was the best of those 3) but strategically just the wrong move. 1
papazoid Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 aaron maybin mike williams john mcargo james hardy terell troup
Bob in STL Posted April 8, 2020 Posted April 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Bob, the thing is that the 2006 draft was absolutely loaded with talent, and at positions of need for the Bills. Whitner was an ok player. He also cost the Bills approx. 36 million real cap dollars. How many games did he win for us? Whitner doesn't belong on the list because of the title of the thread, but an undersized "good" safety should not be drafted at #8. In that sense, picking Whitner was stupid and amateurish. They lucked into Kyle Williams in the 5th. Other than that the entire draft was a disgrace. Jmo. Bill, i agree with you, Whitner was an Ok player - but at least a solid starter for several teams over 11 years. Look at the Bills First Round History. 57 picks and I count 30 picks that were the player is worse or similar to Whitner, and am being generous in a few cases. It could be more. I get there were better players on the board at the time, but you can look almost any Bills draft and find a first rounder picked after ours who was better -- with maybe the exceptions of OJ, and Bruce, and maybe the four years we picked 2nd last. the notion that he was a bust or one of the worst all time picks is not true. We have done a lot worse many times over - which is why our lifetime record is poor. Year Pick Player name Position College Notes 1966 8 Mike Dennis RB Ole Miss Worse than Whitner 1967 22 John Pitts S Arizona State Worse than Whitner 1968 9 Haven Moses WR San Diego State Similar Contribution to Whitner 1969 1 O.J. Simpson ^ RB USC 1970 5 Al Cowlings DT USC Worse than Whitner 1971 4 J. D. Hill WR Arizona State 1972 1 Walt Patulski DE Notre Dame Worse than Whitner 1973 7 Paul Seymour TE Michigan 1973 26 Joe DeLamielleure ^ G Michigan State 1974 18 Reuben Gant TE Oklahoma State Worse than Whitner 1975 19 Tom Ruud LB Nebraska Worse than Whitner 1976 18 Mario Clark DB Oregon 1977 12 Phil Dokes DT Oklahoma State Worse than Whitner 1978 5 Terry Miller RB Oklahoma State Similar Contribution to Whitner 1979 1 Tom Cousineau LB Ohio State Worse than Whitner 1979 5 Jerry Butler WR Clemson 1980 16 Jim Ritcher C North Carolina State 1981 28 Booker Moore RB Penn State Worse than Whitner 1982 19 Perry Tuttle WR Clemson Worse than Whitner 1983 12 Tony Hunter TE Notre Dame Worse than Whitner 1983 14 Jim Kelly ^ QB Miami (FL) 1984 26 Greg Bell RB Notre Dame Worse than Whitner 1985 1 Bruce Smith ^ DE Virginia Tech 1985 14 Derrick Burroughs DB Memphis State Better but injuries cut him short 1986 16 Ronnie Harmon RB Iowa Worse than Whitner 1986 20 Will Wolford OT Vanderbilt 1987 8 Shane Conlan LB Penn State 1988 — — No pick — — 1989 — — No pick — — 1990 16 James Williams DB Fresno State Worse than Whitner 1991 26 Henry Jones DB Illinois 1992 27 John Fina OT Arizona 1993 28 Thomas Smith DB North Carolina Similar Contribution to Whitner 1994 27 Jeff Burris DB Notre Dame Similar Contribution to Whitner 1995 14 Ruben Brown G Pittsburgh 1996 24 Eric Moulds WR Mississippi State 1997 23 Antowain Smith RB Houston 1998 — — No pick — — 1999 23 Antoine Winfield DB Ohio State 2000 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona State Worse than Whitner 2001 21 Nate Clements DB Ohio State 2002 4 Mike Williams OT Texas Worse than Whitner 2003 23 Willis McGahee RB Miami (FL) Worse than Whitner 2004 13 Lee Evans WR Wisconsin 2004 22 J. P. Losman QB Tulane Worse than Whitner 2005 — — No pick — — 2006 8 Donte Whitner S Ohio State 2006 26 John McCargo DT North Carolina State Worse than Whitner 2007 12 Marshawn Lynch RB California 2008 11 Leodis McKelvin DB Troy Similar Contribution to Whitner 2009 11 Aaron Maybin DE Penn State Worse than Whitner 2009 28 Eric Wood C Louisville 2010 9 C.J. Spiller RB Clemson Similar Contribution to Whitner 2011 3 Marcell Dareus DT Alabama Similar Contribution to Whitner 2012 10 Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina 2013 16 EJ Manuel QB Florida State Worse than Whitner 2014 4 Sammy Watkins WR Clemson 2015 — — No pick — — [3] 2016 19 Shaq Lawson DE Clemson Similar Contribution to Whitner 2017 27 Tre'Davious White CB LSU 2018 7 Josh Allen QB Wyoming 2018 16 Tremaine Edmunds LB Virginia Tech 2019 9 Ed Oliver DT Houston
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: EJ was a nice kid, but he was gutless. How much of that was the coaching? Marrone and Hackett were awful. Specifically Hackett. That scheme was predictable and did nothing to help any QB. We had to watch a basically retired Kyle Orton run whatever he could put together on the field. There was no preparation, no game plan, and zero in game adjustments. When the coach says “don’t make mistakes, or you’ll ride the pine” but gives him nothing to work with, it’s not really on the kid. EJ was raw and did himself no favors in the long run. Like I said, I’ve always wondered what would’ve happened if he had been coached by Gailey. Quick short passing concepts could have helped him gain confidence and open up the middle of the field that he was terrified to throw too. Anyway... that’s old history and EJ is out of the league by now.
Phil The Thrill Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: How much of that was the coaching? Marrone and Hackett were awful. Specifically Hackett. That scheme was predictable and did nothing to help any QB. We had to watch a basically retired Kyle Orton run whatever he could put together on the field. There was no preparation, no game plan, and zero in game adjustments. When the coach says “don’t make mistakes, or you’ll ride the pine” but gives him nothing to work with, it’s not really on the kid. EJ was raw and did himself no favors in the long run. Like I said, I’ve always wondered what would’ve happened if he had been coached by Gailey. Quick short passing concepts could have helped him gain confidence and open up the middle of the field that he was terrified to throw too. Anyway... that’s old history and EJ is out of the league by now. I think a lot had to do with EJ. Many people have pointed out here - EJ was probably had a 3rd or 4th round grade. The QB’s in the 2013 class were horrible. He might have been the best option but the Bills put themselves in a position where did they had to draft a QB so they wanted to take the one they liked best even if it meant reaching. Bad decision but a bad administration. EJ’s ceiling was a backup QB and you can debate whether he realized that. He was out of the league pretty quick after his time in Buffalo On 4/7/2020 at 6:32 AM, BuffaloBills1998 said: With the draft coming up I wanted to know some of your guys lists on the worst players we ever drafted here. mine starts off with Aaron Maybin, Mike Williams, Willis McGahee, CJ spiller, JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Dante Whitner, Erik Flowers, James Hardy, and John McCargo, EJ Manuel etc I will defend the selection of Mike Williams. Not definitely was a huge miss, but the pick was very safe at the time. If the Bills didn’t take Williams at #4 another team would have selected him shortly after. Williams was projected to be a franchise tackle. Donahoe thought he was getting a 10-15 staple on the OL. He’s definitely a bust but it’s not like there were red flags like there were with other players that are on this list. It was a good pick at the time and a horrid return
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Williams was projected to be a franchise tackle. Donahoe thought he was getting a 10-15 staple on the OL. Talk about busts, Donahoe takes the cake. As the Steelers GM, year after year he lost key players to free agency yet continued to win. With the Bills, the magic totally disappeared.
NoName Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 8:41 PM, MassHog said: I find it crazy that people can have McGahee, Spiller and Whitner on the same list as Maybin, Williams or Losman Agreed but I wouldn't put Losman with Maybin and Williams. Losman was a bust but at least he showed some flashes with a few 300 yard games and multiple touchdowns etc. Maybin and Williams did absolutely nothing.
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