Poll - Who Should the Bills take with their 2nd pick (For TSW Mock Draft)

[Lazy]

Just wanted to say I love these drafts.

Thanks Virgil and who ever else is involved.

Smart reasoning and good discussion.

Do we have any past ones to compare how you guys/girls do with the real draft?

[DCOrange]

30 minutes ago, Logic said:

This is insane. Instead of taking a stud running back — RB2 is currently TJ freaking Yeldon — or an athletic young pass rusher or a playmaking TE to pair with Knox or even a young CB2 candidate...the leading vote getter is a WR?!

 

Madness. 

 

For all the 21 and 11 personnel this team is gonna be running, we’re taking a WR4 with our highest draft pick?! Glad TSW won’t be making the call in real life.

I didn't vote for Claypool and don't really think he's worth the pick here, but to be fair, I'm not sure any of the pass rushers or TEs available are good enough prospects to warrant the pick either. I do think a corner, safety, or RB probably should have been the pick in this scenario.

[DrDawkinstein]

18 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

Still a yuck for me.

 

For the reasons you mentioned, I’m all for the Bills taking a WR (or 2!) in this draft. But because of the deep crop of WRs, they can do it in the 3rd-6th rounds. No need to spend such a premium pick on a WR when it’s the deepest position in the draft.

 

Besides, let’s suppose the Bills hadn’t traded for Diggs and had instead used pick 22 to take a rookie WR. In that scenario, would people still want the Bills to then turn around and spend their 2nd round pick on a WR, too? It’s nuts. Bills fans just have hard-ons for height/weight/speed WR candidates, which was exacerbated by the success of DK Metcalf last year. It’s silly.

 

The way Beane has the team setup right now, I'm fine with BPA regardless of the position. Whether that's a RB, WR, Safety, CB, or even Kicker. I dont really have a positional preference at 54 or 86.

 

Tough to compare the Diggs acquisition to a rookie there. But if we didnt pull off the trade, and didnt sign any FAs, I wouldnt be jumping off the roof if Beane went WR 1 and 2. Again, not a lot of glaring needs to make me worry.

 

I think the love of measurables was pretty well supported last year when there were a handful of times our Smurfs couldnt get open, or couldnt make a play on a well-thrown ball, because of their stature. The Baltimore game for certain. Good chance we tie it up on that pass that Brown got out-muscled on.

 

I'm not pounding the table on any of this, just playing devils advocate, and saying dont get too upset with however they go. We're finally back in a spot where us fans can sit back and just enjoy the ride and let Beane drive. Should be fun to see play out.

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Comparing CEH to Thurman?

 

Why not?   Thurman wasn't that big a part of the passing game at Oklahoma State, but we saw how he made the offense hum when he was a Bill.    That kind of passing game production is easily projected on CEH...

 

						Rushing				Receiving				Scrimmage
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
Career	Oklahoma State					956	4847	5.1	43	84	598	7.1	2	1040	5445	5.2	45
*1984	Oklahoma State	Big 8		RB	12	205	843	4.1	7	22	122	5.5	0	227	965	4.3	7
*1985	Oklahoma State	Big 8		RB	12	327	1650	5.0	15	25	142	5.7	1	352	1792	5.1	16
1986	Oklahoma State	Big 8		RB	11	173	741	4.3	4	18	150	8.3	1	191	891	4.7	5
1987	Oklahoma State	Big 8		RB	11	251	1613	6.4	17	19	184	9.7	0	270	1797	6.7	17

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Lurker

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Comparing CEH to Thurman?

Was Thurman a short, slow midget ?

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

I really don’t get the WR love here.  Beasley and Brown aren’t going anywhere for at least 2 years.  Why spend a 2nd round pick on a #4 receiver 

Because Beasley & Brown are in their 30's and only signed for 2 more seasons.

 

This is a rich WR class, and we should take advantage of that, so that we can get the best product on the field.

 

The Bills can have better players than Foster, Williams, McKenzie & Roberts, who could step in and eventually replace Beasley & Brown.

[Freddie's Dead]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Comparing CEH to Thurman?

 

I bet you're on your knees about now, begging for your life....

[Rico]

I'm sure someone has noted this somewhere else on this board, but Cole Kmet's dad Frank (from Purdue) was the 4th-round pick of the Bills in 1992.

[maryland-bills-fan]

5 hours ago, Virgil said:

Claypool is the pick. 

 

Thank you everyone

Sorry, but you biased the results by waiting until you got a certain result and then stopped.  The WR won by 6% when you stopped. RB's actually won, 31 % to 28%.  There were 3 RB options and only one WR option.

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by maryland-bills-fan

[Virgil]

3 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Sorry, but you biased the results by waiting until you got a certain result and then stopped.  The WR won by 6% when you stopped. RB's actually won, 31 % to 28%.  There were 3 RB options and only one WR option.

 

 

He was the only WR within 10 value positions in either direction of the pick.  There were 3 running backs that fit the same criteria.  You could make the same argument for the other positions.  Either way, it's a mock and I didn't want too many poll options. 

 

The best part is, I didn't even have the WR on the original list because I don't view it as a position of need.  I only added him because there's a few mocks in the Buffalo area that have us taking him there.

[Hardhatharry]

I knew people would panic and pick RB.

[maryland-bills-fan]

20 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said:

I knew people would panic and pick RB.

Not how things happen.  People panic and "it is a wonderful draft for WR and we don't want to get left out.  Draft SOMEBODY"!!!

 

31 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

He was the only WR within 10 value positions in either direction of the pick.  There were 3 running backs that fit the same criteria.  You could make the same argument for the other positions.  Either way, it's a mock and I didn't want too many poll options. 

 

The best part is, I didn't even have the WR on the original list because I don't view it as a position of need.  I only added him because there's a few mocks in the Buffalo area that have us taking him there.

Well, when you run a poll or an election, you can influence the results by splitting the vote.   In political elections, 2, 3 or 4 "third party candidates" can suck votes out of a candidate and throw the election to the guy from the other side.  I think the Bills might have several good RB candidates to chose from at #54 or a mild trade up from there.  To me, that means they can selected the best "flavor" for their needs (they know better than me).

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Not how things happen.  People panic and "it is a wonderful draft for WR and we don't want to get left out.  Draft SOMEBODY"!!!

 

Well, when you run a poll or an election, you can influence the results by splitting the vote.   In political elections, 2, 3 or 4 "third party candidates" can suck votes out of a candidate and throw the election to the guy from the other side.  I think the Bills might have several good RB candidates to chose from at #54 or a mild trade up from there.  To me, that means they can selected the best "flavor" for their needs (they know better than me).

 

You've officially put way more thought into this than I have ?

[Prospector]

38 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

He was the only WR within 10 value positions in either direction of the pick.  There were 3 running backs that fit the same criteria.  You could make the same argument for the other positions.  Either way, it's a mock and I didn't want too many poll options. 

 

The best part is, I didn't even have the WR on the original list because I don't view it as a position of need.  I only added him because there's a few mocks in the Buffalo area that have us taking him there.

I think the only logically fair option is to have the top 2 or 3 do a final poll

[maryland-bills-fan]

Just now, Virgil said:

 

You've officially put way more thought into this than I have ?

This stuff is complicated.  We are all just stumbling along

 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, WorstTEever81 said:

I think the only logically fair option is to have the top 2 or 3 do a final poll

 

The only huh?

 

This is the closest vote we've had in the 3 years of doing this with multiple drafts each year.  I'm also trying to get these done in a reasonable time to where we can get our final one in. 

End of the day, it provides the context that there's a decent split in wanting a WR or a RB.  That's the ultimate point

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

I just gave CEH his 22nd vote.  Question:  If we take a RB at #2 in this mock, do some people's heads still explode?  That should be reserved for the if the Bills do it I would think.  Just wondering.

Not at all. If by some miracle Taylor or Dobbins fall to 54 you take them. I'm still convinced the RB carries will be split 50/50. If they're both gone go get Claypool. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

 

You've officially put way more thought into this than I have ?

 

That is obvious Virgil..... you had a guy on the initial poll that you had selected on my behalf moment before 

[billsfan_34]

I went Clyde Edwards but if Jonathon Taylor was an option I most likely would have selected him.

[The Jokeman]

I'm a Cam Akers fan at #54. As think he has the extra gear Devin lacks and a more proven receiver out of the backfield. At best seem he starting ahead of Devin, at worst he replaced Devin on 3rd downs.