Trump Is Just A Terrible President, Totally Unfit For The Job

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Nobody is against protection.  Others have pointed out that you should be equally wary of statically greater danger, like red meat or maybe sugar.  
 

Also, perhaps I’m not as familiar with the message board experience as are you, but my understating is that name calling is not a way to foster conversation.  That said, I still don’t know what youre here for, so it may be that this is simply an outlet for your anger and paranoia and that name calling is a healthy exercise for you.  In that case I’m happy to be here to contribute to your fight against heart disease and other silent killers.  

So you’re not against protection but someone who protects themselves is paranoid?  Got it. 
 

Because there are dangers greater than being attacked in my home means I’m not concerned about those dangers?  Got it. 
 

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

So you’re not against protection but someone who protects themselves is paranoid?  Got it. 
 

Because there are dangers greater than being attacked in my home means I’m not concerned about those dangers?  Got it. 
 

 

It would be healthiest to approach all threats with the same verve.  Got a steak in the freezer? Get it to the trash.  Replace it with a green vegetable.  That’s the threat in your home tonight.  

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[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

A bit. Why move there if that's your fear?

 

Edit: I'm not looking to offend you, just to converse.

Job and affordability. Doubled the value and moved to a very safe part of OC and the guns stay locked up. But this is not all about me. How about others that still live in that neighborhood where they work and raise their families. In a city that has rampant crime?  They are not protected by those that they pay so protect and serve so is it not in their best interest to protect themselves?  And this is a neighborhood of $1m homes. It’s a shopping mall for burglars. 

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Job and affordability. Doubled the value and moved to a very safe part of OC and the guns stay locked up. But this is not all about me. How about others that still live in that neighborhood where they work and raise their families. In a city that has rampant crime?  They are not protected by those that they pay so protect and serve so is it not in their best interest to protect themselves?  And this is a neighborhood of $1m homes. It’s a shopping mall for burglars. 

now I’m not being a smart mouth.  Do house alarms help?  I was broken into a couple of years ago and now the alarm

is loud and on when we even go for a walk in the neighborhood. I’ve heard anecdotally that the loud alarms are helpful.  We have a lot of burglaries in this part of OP. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by SectionC3

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It would be healthiest to approach all threats with the same verve.  Got a steak in the freezer? Get it to the trash.  Replace it with a green vegetable.  That’s the threat in your home tonight.  

So a steak and cheesecake should be approached in the same manner as a meth head?  I can control what I buy. I can’t control who breaks down my back door. 
 

So again. You want my wife to defend herself against a burglar with what exactly. A spatula?  

[SectionC3]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

So a steak and cheesecake should be approached in the same manner as a meth head?  I can control what I buy. I can’t control who breaks down my back door. 
 

So again. You want my wife to defend herself against a burglar with what exactly. A spatula?  

The point is that you’re more likely to die from dietary excess than you are in a burglary.  So if you’re that concerned about personal protection you should be as animated about vegetables as you are firearms.  

[Gene Frenkle]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Now Gene, just because you were recently conjured up doesn't give you the right to conjure up statistics. First of all your figure of 100 burglary homicides per year in the U.S. does not sound right. In addition, you've narrowed it down too much. I suggest you conjure up a link and include all instances of home invasion, robbery, burglary, rape, etc. We wouldn't want to be arguing a false premise, now would we?

 

2015: 102 Burglary Homocides

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_10_murder_circumstances_by_relationship_2015.xls

 

2016: Couldn't find it

 

2017: 90 Burglary Homicides

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-10.xls

 

2018: 75 Burglary Homicides

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-10.xls

 

2019: Not yet available?

 

Missing a couple of years, but you get the point.

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

now I’m not being a smart mouth.  Do house alarms help?  I was broken into a couple of years ago and now the alarm

is loud and in when we even go for a walk in the neighborhood. 

Dude. My burglar alarm went off at 2pm one day. They asked if I wanted the cops to show (I was at work). I said yes. They showed up 14 hours later. Saw them on my security cam and heard one say “nothing looks disheveled”. Never even knocked on the door. Now do you think every burglar I Oakland knows they have plenty of time to ransack before the police show? Here’s a hint. They do. 

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

The point is that you’re more likely to die from dietary excess than you are in a burglary.  So if you’re that concerned about personal protection you should be as animated about vegetables as you are firearms.  

What makes you think I’m not more animated about my diet? 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Chef Jim

[Gene Frenkle]

59 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I'm afraid of losing my hair because:

 

1. It's fantastic.  I mean I'm not Poz or anything but it's great.

2. I've seen baldness turn people irrationally angry beings.  I don't want to be angry.  

 

Don't be so angry there Kojak.  Wear a hat or at least use SLF 50+ on that dome.  It'll calm you down.

 

Oh, I'm not mad, I just like to argue. That's one of my flaws. The ladies love a bald guy with muscles. ?

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Dude. My burglar alarm went off at 2pm one day. They asked if I wanted the cops to show (I was at work). I said yes. They showed up 14 hours later. Saw them on my security cam and heard one say “nothing looks disheveled”. Never even knocked on the door. Now do you think every burglar I Oakland knows they have plenty of time to ransack before the police show? Here’s a hint. They do. 

What makes you think I’m not more animated avoid my diet? 

I see a lot of back and forth about firearms, but no conversation about the benefits of broccoli.  Which, by the way, I am dying for right now in the midst of the pandemic.  

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[Gene Frenkle]

11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Job and affordability. Doubled the value and moved to a very safe part of OC and the guns stay locked up. But this is not all about me. How about others that still live in that neighborhood where they work and raise their families. In a city that has rampant crime?  They are not protected by those that they pay so protect and serve so is it not in their best interest to protect themselves?  And this is a neighborhood of $1m homes. It’s a shopping mall for burglars. 

 

Stats are stats, Chef. I don't doubt you, but it sounds like you chose your situation. How many would-be attacks have you thwarted since you moved in?

[Chef Jim]

13 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I see a lot of back and forth about firearms, but no conversation about the benefits of broccoli. 

Because the original conversation was about the Second Amendment. Jesus. You want to talk about healthy lifestyle start a threat over on OTW

 

Now I don’t frequent there much so I’ll tell you. I go (or went before corona) to the gym six days a week. Have a salad for dinner every night, lots of fruit, no alcohol and very little sugar.  Oh and I since I moved my guns stay locked up. Feel like a fool now? 

9 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

Stats are stats, Chef. I don't doubt you, but it sounds like you chose your situation. How many would-be attacks have you thwarted since you moved in?

And I chose to leave and move to a very safe neighborhood. Not everyone has that option. Do you have a problem with them protecting themselves?  If so why? 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Chef Jim

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

Oh, I'm not mad, I just like to argue. That's one of my flaws. The ladies love a bald guy with muscles. ?

Maybe but they love a guy with muscles AND hair who can cook even more. 

[Gene Frenkle]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Because the original conversation was about firearms. Jesus. You want to talk about healthy lifestyle start a threat over on OTW

 

Now I don’t frequent there much so I’ll tell you. I go (or went before corona) to the gym six days a week. Have a salad for dinner every night, lots of fruit, no alcohol and very little sugar.  Oh and I since I moved my guns stay locked up. Feel like a fool now? 

And I chose to leave and move to a very safe neighborhood. Not everyone has that option. Do you have a problem with them protecting themselves?  If so why? 
 

 

 

Nope. I have no problem with it, actually. I'm just interested in debating how important it really is. Given the crime stats and as well as stats around how having guns at home actually increases your odds of being killed by a gun, I wonder if "keeping my family safe from intruders" people are really just making themselves feel better without accomplishing the desired goal. That said, it obviously helps you sleep at night, so by all means, have at it. I honestly hope you never have to use it.

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Maybe but they love a guy with muscles AND hair who can cook even more. 

 

Maybe. Plenty to go around. Plus, you're married. In quarentine. I love you man. You may need that gun after all! ?

[Gene Frenkle]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Now Gene, just because you were recently conjured up doesn't give you the right to conjure up statistics. First of all your figure of 100 burglary homicides per year in the U.S. does not sound right. In addition, you've narrowed it down too much. I suggest you conjure up a link and include all instances of home invasion, robbery, burglary, rape, etc. We wouldn't want to be arguing a false premise, now would we?

 

I provided links and another poster provided the second part up-thread.

 

I just want to add that, in my opinion, the problem is, as many here are often eager to point out, the media. Many of these crimes, just like child abductions and other evil schitt are sensationalized in the media and dominate news cycles because that leads to clicks. You see it all the time, but it doesn't happen very often at all. I was surprised by the numbers as well. I did assume that the numbers would be relatively low, but not that low.

[SectionC3]

5 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Because the original conversation was about the Second Amendment. Jesus. You want to talk about healthy lifestyle start a threat over on OTW

 

Now I don’t frequent there much so I’ll tell you. I go (or went before corona) to the gym six days a week. Have a salad for dinner every night, lots of fruit, no alcohol and very little sugar.  Oh and I since I moved my guns stay locked up. Feel like a fool now? 

And I chose to leave and move to a very safe neighborhood. Not everyone has that option. Do you have a problem with them protecting themselves?  If so why? 

 

 

 Nope.  Don’t feel like a fool.  
 

Also, I live basically the same way.  Went vegetarian recently.  It’s like rocket fuel for the body.  Try it.  It’s great. 

[SectionC3]

To my Trump/Keep America Great friends: any thoughts on the protest and on Rus Thompson?  Anyone planning to go?

 

https://buffalonews.com/2020/04/19/health-experts-advise-sustained-social-distancing-ahead-of-gridlock-buffalo-protest/

Edited April 20, 2020 by SectionC3

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

To my Trump/Keep America Great friends: any thoughts on the protest and on Rus Thompson?  Anyone planning to go?

 

https://buffalonews.com/2020/04/19/health-experts-advise-sustained-social-distancing-ahead-of-gridlock-buffalo-protest/

 

How many of those morons will get in car accidents today? The logic of staying in a vehicles to put nobody at risk but demanding businesses open up is backward

[Warren Zevon]

[SectionC3]

15 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

How many of those morons will get in car accidents today? The logic of staying in a vehicles to put nobody at risk but demanding businesses open up is backward

 

Almost as backwards as "Keep America Great."  I don't know about you, but I think Depression-era unemployment, a pandemic, and a president who claims "absolute authority" but takes no responsibility for such crises is not all that great.