Josh Allen focusing on deep ball, team communication in offseason work

[YoloinOhio]

Josh Allen gets creative in offseason work, focusing on deep ball

https://buffalonews.com/2020/04/01/jordan-palmer-josh-allen-nfl-offseason-quarterback-buffalo-bills-skurski/

With Allen, the offseason theme has been working on his deep ball, Palmer said.

"Just focusing on keeping his shoulder level. If you look at him at any point right now, his shoulder level is going to be far more parallel to the ground, then horizontal then leaning back where the front shoulder tips up," he said. "We’ve spent a lot of time and he’s talked to some other folks, too. We’ve put a plan together. We’re a month or two into it and I think it’s going to be a big improvement this year."
 

The other thing Palmer has tried to get his clients – a group that also includes Jets quarterback Sam Darnold – to do is build better relationships with teammates.

"If you can really talk and communicate more with the defensive leaders more than you normally would this time of year, you can build deeper relationships," he said. "It’s kind of all you can do to help your team because you can’t really organize collectively as a group. You can’t throw and get timing. The only chance you have to get better is communicate more and stay closer through this. That’s what I’ve been pushing guys to do. Improve the things you can control.

"(Allen and Darnold) are making multiple calls a day connecting with guys. It doesn’t cost you anything. You’ve got plenty of free time and you know everyone else has free time. I just told them if you’re going to compete this time of year, you’re limited on what you can do with yourself and limited on what you can do with teammates physically, you can communicate better than every other team in the league. This whole league is about creating advantages for your team."

[whatdrought]

If Josh improves his deep ball the same amount as he did his intermediate stuff last year, he’s gonna be scary. I expect him to. 

[aristocrat]

what is he throwing it state to state with the qurantine?

[Philo]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

what is he throwing it state to state with the qurantine?

 

Over them mountains, obviously ?

[Mickey]

So last night, after draining a healthy glass of absinthe, you know, the favored drink of suicidal artists and syphilitic whores, I had a vision. I was surrounded by a dense, emerald green fog that blinded me until a cool breeze gradually pushed the fog further and further away. As the fog receded, I could barely make out the silhouette  of two football players. Slowly, the helmeted figures emerged and there he was, Josh Allen, resplendent in his red, white and vibrant blue Bills uniform. But he wasn't alone. Standing next to him was none other than Sam Darnold who though less resplendent than Josh, was also sporting a red, white and vibrant blue Bills uniform. Sam explained that in 2020, the Jets, being the Jets, tanked and then took Lawrence No. 1 in the 2021 draft. Josh insisted that the Bills pick up the recently released Darnold to be his back-up. I asked Josh how we did in 2020 but before he could respond, he started yelling at me to stop drinking so much and to let our barking dog in before the neighbors went crazy.  His voice and appearance started changing until he was gone and all that was left was my now irate wife who was not looking at all resplendent.   

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, Mickey said:

So last night, after draining a healthy glass of absinthe, you know, the favored drink of suicidal artists and syphilitic whores, I had a vision. I was surrounded by a dense, emerald green fog that blinded me until a cool breeze gradually pushed the fog further and further away. As the fog receded, I could barely make out the silhouette  of two football players. Slowly, the helmeted figures emerged and there he was, Josh Allen, resplendent in his red, white and vibrant blue Bills uniform. But he wasn't alone. Standing next to him was none other than Sam Darnold who though less resplendent than Josh, was also sporting a red, white and vibrant blue Bills uniform. Sam explained that in 2020, the Jets, being the Jets, tanked and then took Lawrence No. 1 in the 2021 draft. Josh insisted that the Bills pick up the recently released Darnold to be his back-up. I asked Josh how we did in 2020 but before he could respond, he started yelling at me to stop drinking so much and to let our barking dog in before the neighbors went crazy.  His voice and appearance started changing until he was gone and all that was left was my now irate wife who was not looking at all resplendent.   

The answer is they never had a season. The NFL used a lottery system to determine the draft order. The Bills ended up picking 32nd. Now go out and cut the lawn. (Just channeling irate wifey. Love the fin-de-siècle aesthetic references. I wrote a novel with a significant character named Absinthe.)

[TtownBillsFan]

11 minutes ago, Mickey said:

So last night, after draining a healthy glass of absinthe, you know, the favored drink of suicidal artists and syphilitic whores, I had a vision. I was surrounded by a dense, emerald green fog that blinded me until a cool breeze gradually pushed the fog further and further away. As the fog receded, I could barely make out the silhouette  of two football players. Slowly, the helmeted figures emerged and there he was, Josh Allen, resplendent in his red, white and vibrant blue Bills uniform. But he wasn't alone. Standing next to him was none other than Sam Darnold who though less resplendent than Josh, was also sporting a red, white and vibrant blue Bills uniform. Sam explained that in 2020, the Jets, being the Jets, tanked and then took Lawrence No. 1 in the 2021 draft. Josh insisted that the Bills pick up the recently released Darnold to be his back-up. I asked Josh how we did in 2020 but before he could respond, he started yelling at me to stop drinking so much and to let our barking dog in before the neighbors went crazy.  His voice and appearance started changing until he was gone and all that was left was my now irate wife who was not looking at all resplendent.   

We really, REALLY need a "wow!" emoji smiley-face thingy for posts just like this!

[Codyny13]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

what is he throwing it state to state with the qurantine?

I’m sure they’ll figure something out. Watching videos of Zay working out with Derek Carr yesterday. I wish he looked as good on the field as he did in shorts catching passes. Anyway, he’ll have guys in Cali to throw to.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

I told Levi to tell Josh to "throw it far". Glad to see the message was delivered promptly. 

[finn]

Forgot the shoulders, just put some more air under the ball. Compare Allen's deep ball to Mahomes: Allen throws it on a rope, which means if it's off just a bit the receiver will miss it. Mahomes lofts it in a pretty arc so the receiver can run under it. 

[Logic]

[Mr. WEO]

I gotta hand it to Palmer.  Every time he's commenting on a player as an "insider", he's promoting his business. 

 

Sweet setup.

 

 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, finn said:

Forgot the shoulders, just put some more air under the ball. Compare Allen's deep ball to Mahomes: Allen throws it on a rope, which means if it's off just a bit the receiver will miss it. Mahomes lofts it in a pretty arc so the receiver can run under it. 

Yeah I think I'll go with Josh the pro QB and the QB trainer on this one.

[starrymessenger]

Early last year his long ball seemed to me Manuelesque bad at times but I thought I saw some improvement, including a few outstanding throws, as the year progressed. Could be wrong but I also thought it was better at WYO, when he used it, which suggested to me that this was partly the result of the process of converting him into more of a pro pocket passer with greater emphasis on short and intermediate range throws. He improved his accuracy with intermediate, including touch throws outside the hash marks, but his short game needs work. Looked like JP at times. 

Hes got a lot on his plate. Good chance he gets to where he needs to be IMO.

Edited April 2, 2020 by starrymessenger

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 hours ago, whatdrought said:

If Josh improves his deep ball the same amount as he did his intermediate stuff last year, he’s gonna be scary. I expect him to. 

Good call out. Josh was much improved 10-20 yards.  

The deep ball is always going to be less successful but last year he was so far off that teams didn't need to double deep and few PI calls as the ball was nowhere close.  

The most troubling thing was there were guys that had multiple steps on the defender and Allen missed them - usually an overthrow.  To me that is anxiety, not mechanics.  

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Good call out. Josh was much improved 10-20 yards.  

The deep ball is always going to be less successful but last year he was so far off that teams didn't need to double deep and few PI calls as the ball was nowhere close.  

The most troubling thing was there were guys that had multiple steps on the defender and Allen missed them - usually an overthrow.  To me that is anxiety, not mechanics.  

I think anxiety triggers bad fundamentals/mechanics. The trick is to re-write the muscle memory so that when he’s in “oh *****” mode, he reverts to good mechanics, not bad. 

[John from Riverside]

If he can start hitting on his deep ball he is a top 5 to 7 QB in the league.......there I said it

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I think anxiety triggers bad fundamentals/mechanics. The trick is to re-write the muscle memory so that when he’s in “oh *****” mode, he reverts to good mechanics, not bad. 

Agree but the solution is not rewrite the memory. The solution is earlier recognition so the oh-***** moments are less.  

Even the great ones throw bad balls every game.  Just need 1-2 less bad throws, 1-2 less drops(Knox), and 1 miracle NFL holy ***** how did he catch that pass per game(Diggs and Brown).  Then Allen is a 63% completion guy and the offense is lethal.

[Stank_Nasty]

25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If he can start hitting on his deep ball he is a top 5 to 7 QB in the league.......there I said it

I would say If that’s all that improves then it’s in the 8-12 range. But I’m just picking nits. I would also be really happy with that in year 3. 
 

.... and I don’t think that’s the only thing that will improve. 

[BringBackFlutie]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Not gonna lie.  The first I heard of quarantining and staying home, the only thing that crossed my mind was, "how is Josh gonna train with Palmer?  Can they quarantine together?"