DCOrange Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) I put together something similar for the WRs (which can be seen on the 3rd tab of this spreadsheet), but the RB stuff is on the 4th tab. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EGcKt-3OhHND7shQmY9LREGwBxtnUcFwQtQDz2U-3tk/edit?usp=sharing The first two columns identify RBs that we've scouted, met with, FaceTimed, etc. Dominator rating comes from PlayerProfiler.com...it basically shows the percentage of the offense's production that the player is responsible for. Anything above 40% is generally considered to be elite. Should be noted that the rest of the numbers are specific to this past season. So for example, AJ Dillon only dropped 1 pass this year on 16 targets, but his career drop % is much worse than that. I just don't have those numbers for all the prospects. Rush grade, elusive rating, and yards after contact are pulled from PFF's draft guide. Missed tackles forced/att is based on PFF's missed tackle numbers divided by total carries (this number is specifically for how they did as runners, not in the receiving game). Breakaway % = the percentage of their yards that were accumulated on 15+ yard runs (so for example, if a guy runs for 100 yards but 90 of it came on one play, breakaway % would be 90%). Drop % is based on PFF's drop numbers divided by total targets. The rest is just pulled from their regular stats and or NFL Combine numbers. Edit: For reference, I put this chart together last year that shared some of the same metrics. Edited April 1, 2020 by DCOrange 1 2 1
Doc Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 I can't see them going RB before the 4th round. Who is a good prospect who bring something different from Devin?
Lurker Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 This to me would be the final piece of the passing game puzzle to make this offense truly dynamic: 1
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 .. Well here is a Cliff’s Notes version Rank Guy bills met Dominator Rush grade elude breakaway 1 Swift Yes 21% 80 71 37% 2 E-Helaire No 19% 92 115 45% 3 Taylor No 42 90 104 39% 4 Dobbins No 28% 84 93 48% 5 Akers YES 40% 83 126 33% 6 Moss No 36 92 176 44 12 Beng. YES 37% 80 70 52% 9 Dillon No 34% 90 71 32% Okay, I don’t understand what those parameters mean. Moss looks like the best guy. I don’t see a big guy winning “elude” and “breakaway”. 28 minutes ago, Doc said: I can't see them going RB before the 4th round. Who is a good prospect who bring something different from Devin? Any of the top 6 will surely be an improvement over Singletary.
Doc Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: .. Well here is a Cliff’s Notes version Rank Guy bills met Dominator Rush grade elude breakaway 1 Swift Yes 21% 80 71 37% 2 E-Helaire No 19% 92 115 45% 3 Taylor No 42 90 104 39% 4 Dobbins No 28% 84 93 48% 5 Akers YES 40% 83 126 33% 6 Moss No 36 92 176 44 12 Beng. YES 37% 80 70 52% 9 Dillon No 34% 90 71 32% Okay, I don’t understand what those parameters mean. Moss looks like the best guy. I don’t see a big guy winning “elude” and “breakaway”. Any of the top 6 will surely be an improvement over Singletary. Improvement? 1
Cal Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Well done. I still like AJ Dillon for the Bills. Bring some power running.
thurst44 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Any of the top 6 will surely be an improvement over Singletary. Singletary had a YPC of 5.4, was a dynamic playmaker, and had he not been hurt would have likely had well over 1000 yards and have been in the RotY conversation. Surely that just came out wrong. 1 1
DCOrange Posted April 1, 2020 Author Posted April 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: .. Well here is a Cliff’s Notes version Rank Guy bills met Dominator Rush grade elude breakaway 1 Swift Yes 21% 80 71 37% 2 E-Helaire No 19% 92 115 45% 3 Taylor No 42 90 104 39% 4 Dobbins No 28% 84 93 48% 5 Akers YES 40% 83 126 33% 6 Moss No 36 92 176 44 12 Beng. YES 37% 80 70 52% 9 Dillon No 34% 90 71 32% Okay, I don’t understand what those parameters mean. Moss looks like the best guy. I don’t see a big guy winning “elude” and “breakaway”. Any of the top 6 will surely be an improvement over Singletary. With regard to the elusive rating, people tend to think elusive = juking people out because that's how it's defined in Madden. Elusive Rating is more about forcing missed tackles, whether it's side-stepping guys so that you can easily run through arm tackles, juking people out, or just bouncing off guys. Moss is more about the arm tackles and bouncing off guys. So for example, in the video below, they would probably say the first two plays in this highlight video are 4 or 5 eluded defenders. As for breakaway %, that one is simple. He had a ton of big runs at Utah. Speed isn't really necessary to bust off big runs, especially if you're as elusive as hard to tackle as he is. 1
hondo in seattle Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, DCOrange said: With regard to the elusive rating, people tend to think elusive = juking people out because that's how it's defined in Madden. Elusive Rating is more about forcing missed tackles, whether it's side-stepping guys so that you can easily run through arm tackles, juking people out, or just bouncing off guys. Moss is more about the arm tackles and bouncing off guys. So for example, in the video below, they would probably say the first two plays in this highlight video are 4 or 5 eluded defenders. As for breakaway %, that one is simple. He had a ton of big runs at Utah. Speed isn't really necessary to bust off big runs, especially if you're as elusive as hard to tackle as he is. He looks faster than his 4.65 40 time - fast for a guy who likes to bang heads.
aristocrat Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 i can't remember where i saw it but singletary had some advanced analytics that he had more separation from defenders than any rb last year. is that the elusive number i'm seeing on this chart?
DCOrange Posted April 1, 2020 Author Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: i can't remember where i saw it but singletary had some advanced analytics that he had more separation from defenders than any rb last year. is that the elusive number i'm seeing on this chart? Probably two different things but I would imagine what you're referring to would be pretty closely aligned to the Breakaway %.
OldTimer1960 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: With regard to the elusive rating, people tend to think elusive = juking people out because that's how it's defined in Madden. Elusive Rating is more about forcing missed tackles, whether it's side-stepping guys so that you can easily run through arm tackles, juking people out, or just bouncing off guys. Moss is more about the arm tackles and bouncing off guys. So for example, in the video below, they would probably say the first two plays in this highlight video are 4 or 5 eluded defenders. As for breakaway %, that one is simple. He had a ton of big runs at Utah. Speed isn't really necessary to bust off big runs, especially if you're as elusive as hard to tackle as he is. What am I missing when I watch Moss? I have watched a number of his full game videos and he strikes me as “OK”, but not special. 3rd or 4th round maybe?
Just Joshin' Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Doc said: Improvement? The only explanation is April 1st. 1 1
Prickly Pete Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 3 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Any of the top 6 will surely be an improvement over Singletary. You should probably find a new team to root for.... 1 1
Buffalo Junction Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: What am I missing when I watch Moss? I have watched a number of his full game videos and he strikes me as “OK”, but not special. 3rd or 4th round maybe? I have him pegged for mid 3rd to early 4th. He reminds me of Marion Barber.
Buffalo716 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: With regard to the elusive rating, people tend to think elusive = juking people out because that's how it's defined in Madden. Elusive Rating is more about forcing missed tackles, whether it's side-stepping guys so that you can easily run through arm tackles, juking people out, or just bouncing off guys. Moss is more about the arm tackles and bouncing off guys. So for example, in the video below, they would probably say the first two plays in this highlight video are 4 or 5 eluded defenders. As for breakaway %, that one is simple. He had a ton of big runs at Utah. Speed isn't really necessary to bust off big runs, especially if you're as elusive as hard to tackle as he is. Actually Madden has a juke and elusiveness rating Elusiveness is exactly what you said. The ability to break through arm tackles and make people miss without necessarily juking . Just running and change of direction. How slippery you are
DCOrange Posted April 1, 2020 Author Posted April 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: What am I missing when I watch Moss? I have watched a number of his full game videos and he strikes me as “OK”, but not special. 3rd or 4th round maybe? I view him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder and my #4 or 5 RB in the class. PFF has him in the 2nd round as arguably the #1 RB in the class. Their elusive rating tends to be the thing that translates best from college to the NFL and Moss is one of if not the most elusive back they've ever scouted. So he's pretty much insanely difficult to tackle, has good awareness of second level defenders, is a good pass blocker, and did a decent job catching the ball this year...there's not much not to like with him.
OldTimer1960 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: I view him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder and my #4 or 5 RB in the class. PFF has him in the 2nd round as arguably the #1 RB in the class. Their elusive rating tends to be the thing that translates best from college to the NFL and Moss is one of if not the most elusive back they've ever scouted. So he's pretty much insanely difficult to tackle, has good awareness of second level defenders, is a good pass blocker, and did a decent job catching the ball this year...there's not much not to like with him. I can see maybe 3rd. I don’t think he at is at the level of Taylor, Edwards-Helaire, Dobbins or even Akers. I do think he is considerably better than AJ Dillon. Just my opinion and while I love following the draft, I am certainly not qualified to claim any scouting expertise. Edited April 1, 2020 by OldTimer1960
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