Billl Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Respectfully, that was the excuse/argument. The whole point was more money. I still think the uneven travel requirements are unreasonable. I don’t think it’s good for “the game”, it’s only good for more revenue. If it weren’t for the neutral site games, the discussion would have been 18 games.
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: We'll know a lot more by summer but my guess is yes at this point. Why riski it? I'm hoping we'll have a much better understanding and control of the virus by then so it doesn't delay training camp. The warmer weather will hopefully help. If there is any risk they will cancel the games for this year. And rightly so. 1
Augie Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: You don't think expanding the fan base of the sport is good for the game? I totally, utterly and completely disagree. The GAME? Absolutely not. The INDUSTRY? Absolutely. I’m in it for the game, but the billionaires will do as they please.
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, Augie said: The GAME? Absolutely not. The INDUSTRY? Absolutely. I’m in it for the game, but the billionaires will do as they please. No. The game. The game of American Football. You think the sport having an expanded fan base outside North America is a bad thing?
Augie Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billl said: If it weren’t for the neutral site games, the discussion would have been 18 games. I’d have gone there first, but since the players would fight it more, and the last time I checked I don’t own an NFL franchise, I guess I’m SOL! ?♂️ Just now, GunnerBill said: No. The game. The game of American Football. You think the sport having an expanded fan base outside North America is a bad thing? I think it’s good for the owners, and we know what motivates them. I don’t see your soccer or rugby teams scheduling regular trips to the states to collect my money and get me interested. It’s a disruption to the rhythm of the game. Just my opinion. One thing I know is, nothing I think, say or do it going to change anything, so I’ll let it rest. The owners (who I generally support since I don’t hate rich guys just because they are rich) are going to do what they think is best for their pockets.
mushypeaches Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said: I don't think the NFL wants to play more games in Jacksonville. Neither does Jacksonville
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Augie said: I’d have gone there first, but since the players would fight it more, and the last time I checked I don’t own an NFL franchise, I guess I’m SOL! ?♂️ I think it’s good for the owners, and we know what motivates them. I don’t see your soccer or rugby teams scheduling regular trips to the states to collect my money and get me interested. It’s a disruption to the rhythm of the game. Just my opinion. One thing I know is, nothing I think, say or do it going to change anything, so I’ll let it rest. The owners (who I generally support since I don’t hate rich guys just because they are rich) are going to do what they think is best for their pockets. Soccer teams come to the States ever darn year for pre-season games, despite the fact they are disruptive and, like the NFL in Europe, the numbers show interest in the game over there continues to grow. The Premier League wanted regular season season games overseas. And if we had a franchise model it would have happened already. The problem is in the Premier League there is no revenue sharing and the smaller, poorer, teams vetoed it because they knew it would just widen the gap between rich and poor yet further. But soccer is the most popular game in the world because of its global reach. It is the ultimate proof that expanding the fan base is to the betterment of the sport. 1
SirAndrew Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 If there’s a season, I’m sure there will be International games. Heck, Goodell will probably want a game in Wuhan as a sign of goodwill.
Augie Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Soccer teams come to the States ever darn year for pre-season games, despite the fact they are disruptive and, like the NFL in Europe, the numbers show interest in the game over there continues to grow. The Premier League wanted regular season season games overseas. And if we had a franchise model it would have happened already. The problem is in the Premier League there is no revenue sharing and the smaller, poorer, teams vetoed it because they knew it would just widen the gap between rich and poor yet further. But soccer is the most popular game in the world because of its global reach. It is the ultimate proof that expanding the fan base is to the betterment of the sport. A) Pre-season games do not count. B) So it’s about money? Shocking! Look, we don’t have to agree on this. I’m not boycotting the NFL or anything over it. I just don’t happen to be a fan of messing with what we’ve always enjoyed so they can make more money. I don’t resent their making more money one little bit. I’m not a fan of disrupting the game any more than they already have. I don’t get to vote except with my feet, and I’m not THAT upset over it. So I’ll carry on just fine. The NBA doesn’t play regular season games in China, but they sure want to expand their global presence. It’s the practical aspect I don’t like, not expanding interest. But again, I’m still here. EDIT: I didn’t like the Toronto series either, but I get what they were thinking. This is kind of as bigger version of that. Edited March 30, 2020 by Augie
Buddo Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 I think you need to worry about there being a season first, before stressing out over the International games. TBH, I'm not sure how soon travel restrictions are likely to be lifted, regardless. This thing is global, and it's going to be very difficult to allow anything resembling free movement around the world, for some considerable time yet. Irrespective of how much you believe the Chinese figures, one thing has become apparent, in that many of their additional cases now, are from people bringing it into the country. Countries around the world will have taken note of this, and will be organizing their strategies accordingly, which will mean much more restrictive requirements for anyone who is travelling, whether it's in their movements once they get somewhere, or their medical clearances, before they are even allowed in.
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Augie said: A) Pre-season games do not count. B) So it’s about money? Shocking! Look, we don’t have to agree on this. I’m not boycotting the NFL or anything over it. I just don’t happen to be a fan of messing with what we’ve always enjoyed so they can make more money. I don’t resent their making more money one little bit. I’m not a fan of disrupting the game any more than they already have. I don’t get to vote except with my feet, and I’m not THAT upset over it. So I’ll carry on just fine. The NBA doesn’t play regular season games in China, but they sure want to expand their global presence. It’s the practical aspect I don’t like, not expanding interest. But again, I’m still here. EDIT: I didn’t like the Toronto series either, but I get what they were thinking. This is kind of as bigger version of that. The NBA has played regular season games in London too. Sports have to grow their base. The idea that the American sports are going to survive and flourish for another 100 years as America only games is for the birds. The leadership of the NFL, NBA and MLB get that. And well they might.
Doc Brown Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If there is any risk they will cancel the games for this year. And rightly so. I'm guessing behind the scenes they're exploring scenarios where they play without fans with stringent player testing. Too much money on the line to cancel the season.
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, Doc Brown said: I'm guessing behind the scenes they're exploring scenarios where they play without fans with stringent player testing. Too much money on the line to cancel the season. I meant the London games rather than the season to be clear.
Augie Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: The NBA has played regular season games in London too. Sports have to grow their base. The idea that the American sports are going to survive and flourish for another 100 years as America only games is for the birds. The leadership of the NFL, NBA and MLB get that. And well they might. That’s fine. Is it OK if I personally don’t like it? I understand WHY they do it, I still don’t love it. Maybe it’s my resentment over the sucky Toronto series. As someone I know who’s been to a lot of therapy likes to say “FEEL your feelings!” The NBA isn’t building this into every teams regular season schedule, but they probably will before too long. That’s fine with me, because I haven’t watched them in years. You feel free to like the expansion, and I’ll probably continue not to love it. That’s life! Having said all that, if and when the Bills are back in London, I would certainly see if I could make it to the game. Always looking for a good excuse!
ndirish1978 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Smitty75 said: So because it’s an American sport, us European fans can’t enjoy 1 game in a season...? ? No, because it's an American league, the games should be played solely in-country. Would you be happy if the EPL sent your favorite team to play 16% of their games in the US and Mexico? Doubt it. Brits throw fits just because Americans buy EPL teams, if they took away games you guys would riot. If you want games you should be getting pre-season at best, just like Arsenal and Manchester do when they play these warm-up tourneys across the pond, not games that actually mean something. International games put the "home" team at an awful disadvantage and they are ridiculous in a sport where you only get 8 home games to begin with. Edited March 30, 2020 by ndirish1978
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: No, because it's an American league, the games should be played solely in-country. Would you be happy if the EPL sent your favorite team to play 16% of their games in the US and Mexico? Doubt it. Brits throw fits just because Americans buy EPL teams, if they took away games you guys would riot. Well that is gonna happen too. And there will not be any riots. It is globalisation. Shouting "stop the world I want to get off" is not an option.
ndirish1978 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: Well that is gonna happen too. And there will not be any riots. It is globalisation. Shouting "stop the world I want to get off" is not an option. The Premiere League will NEVER play season games in the US. To think otherwise is ridiculous. They might create a Super Champions-League where the top x number of teams from each country in the world, not just Europe, play for a championship, but you will not see them farm out home league games.
Saxum Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Brits throw fits just because Americans buy EPL teams, if they took away games you guys would riot.. Rioting is just something part of Soccer fandom like Ketchup and Mustard celebration is part of Bills fandom. All of the Soccer fans do not have CTE even though they act like it, right? 1
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: The Premiere League will NEVER play season games in the US. To think otherwise is ridiculous. They might create a Super Champions-League where the top x number of teams from each country in the world, not just Europe, play for a championship, but you will not see them farm out home league games. They voted on it like 6 years ago. The League wants it to happen. They were going to do what the NFL has just voted to do - add an additional game - and play them in the US, the far east and Australia. The vote didn't pass because the smaller clubs vetoed it. All the big boys wanted it. It will happen. The next TV deal is gonna be stagnant over the last one which will be the first time in 20 odd years that revenues have plateaued. At that point they have two options - extend the availability of each game - the Sunday Ticket type idea where you can watch your team live each week regardless of where or when they kick off or revisit the 39th game. It will happen. The question is when.
machine gun kelly Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Augie and GB, back to you’re corners. Just kidding guys as you know I like and respect both of you. You both make good points. I’m not crazy with European games or any other country, but if there is a 17th neutral site game and both sides agree maybe for a second bye or something so there is somewhat of a built in travel thing then no worries from me. Now this year, I feel from TBD European posters, but if the disease is still kore prevalent over there, or at all, why send teams to Europe as the only way they still play at all is without fans even if mostly gone, but just remnants, and that is a stretch. I know this damn virus/protein is a pain in the ars for everyone, but if we don’t take drastic measures it’s not going away and I was laid off like many others. It blows, but the sooner it goes away the better.
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