New Challenge for McDermott

[Codyny13]

A lot of whining. ? a ? 

[Shaw66]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

for sure, although we definitely needed a RT for years and hopefully this guy from Carolina fills that need. My problem with Ford (and slightly Dawkins ) was he was considered a guard maybe a tackle prospect, what they need to do is draft real Tackle prospects who can go to guard if they dont pan out.

 

 

You know, this is an interesting point, and I've always believed the same thing, but I think you and I aren't thinking about the offense that way that I think McDermott and Beane think about it.  

 

One thing they keep talking about is position versatility.   They really, really like guys who can play multiple positions, and they don't like them because that means they can serve as the backups to multiple players.   It's true, they have that backup capability, and it's useful.   

 

But it's more than that.   McDermott wants to be able to play any kind of football.   Run dominant, pass dominant, balanced, hurry up, call control.  He wants to be able to do any and all of it.  Because the roster isn't big enough to have specialists in every style, its important to have guys who can do a lot of stuff.  Its important to have guys who ran run block, who can pass block, who can handle complexity, etc. etc.   In that kind of environment, guys who can do multiple things are sometimes more valuable than guys who have specialized skills.

 

Take a guy like McKenzie.   Obviously, they like the guy.   I've never been quite sure why.  The only thing I see him do really well is the jet sweep.  Everything else, he looks like he can do it but he just isn't quite there to be an impact player.  Not quite a good receiver, not quite a good punt returner.    What makes him valuable is that every time you put him on the field, you can count on him to a solid job, not enough to start, at whatever you ask him to do.   Block, catch a pass, run the ball.  That is, he makes himself an impact player just by being good enough at a lot of different things that if he gets playing time, he contributes.

 

And I think that's true about the oline.  I think that that concept, that the more a football player can do on the field, the more valuable he is to McD, can be seen in their drafting guys who are in between - guys who don't look quite like your stereotypical tackle or guard, as the case may be.   I think McD's ideal offensive linemen - two guards and two tackles, all have the same body types, quickness, skill sets.   Centers are different, but the other four, I think McD wants them to be able to anything a lineman can be asked to do regardless of whether they're next to the center or not.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You know, this is an interesting point, and I've always believed the same thing, but I think you and I aren't thinking about the offense that way that I think McDermott and Beane think about it.  

 

One thing they keep talking about is position versatility.   They really, really like guys who can play multiple positions, and they don't like them because that means they can serve as the backups to multiple players.   It's true, they have that backup capability, and it's useful.   

 

But it's more than that.   McDermott wants to be able to play any kind of football.   Run dominant, pass dominant, balanced, hurry up, call control.  He wants to be able to do any and all of it.  Because the roster isn't big enough to have specialists in every style, its important to have guys who can do a lot of stuff.  Its important to have guys who ran run block, who can pass block, who can handle complexity, etc. etc.   In that kind of environment, guys who can do multiple things are sometimes more valuable than guys who have specialized skills.

 

Take a guy like McKenzie.   Obviously, they like the guy.   I've never been quite sure why.  The only thing I see him do really well is the jet sweep.  Everything else, he looks like he can do it but he just isn't quite there to be an impact player.  Not quite a good receiver, not quite a good punt returner.    What makes him valuable is that every time you put him on the field, you can count on him to a solid job, not enough to start, at whatever you ask him to do.   Block, catch a pass, run the ball.  That is, he makes himself an impact player just by being good enough at a lot of different things that if he gets playing time, he contributes.

 

And I think that's true about the oline.  I think that that concept, that the more a football player can do on the field, the more valuable he is to McD, can be seen in their drafting guys who are in between - guys who don't look quite like your stereotypical tackle or guard, as the case may be.   I think McD's ideal offensive linemen - two guards and two tackles, all have the same body types, quickness, skill sets.   Centers are different, but the other four, I think McD wants them to be able to anything a lineman can be asked to do regardless of whether they're next to the center or not.  

 

Versatility is great but we can't have Ends blowing by our tackles all game, Watt really killed us in that playoff game and there were many others as well.

 

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

if our RT wasn't letting Watt through like a turnstyle , we would have won.

 

 

 

whats the matter @tcampbell104 dont like the truth about Ford??

 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

AJ Brown would not have been a liability I bet....

They decided to address a horrible line first and bring in brown and beasely

 

even though aj looks like a fantastic prospect they have not been proven wrong on Cody yet it sometimes takes ol a year

 

 

[Shaw66]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

we can't have Ends blowing by our tackles all game, Watt really killed us in that playoff game and there were many others as well.

 

 

 

Absolutely true, but I think McDermott's answer to you would be that he wants a versatile guy and McDermott will train him to handle the edge rusher.   I think McDermott doesn't want a guy specially suited to handling edge rushers.   I think his logic is that edge rushers will change, evolve, do different things, and McD wants tackles who can evolve, too.  

 

I don't know.   As I said, I've always thought there prototypical guards and prototypical tackles and very few people were good at both.   I just think McDermott thinks differently.  

[Hermes]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I guess you didn’t read my post at all. We don’t all agree it was an awful call. It wasn’t. It was the right call and a stupid play by Ford.

 

And yet two other instancances of incredibly similar blocks weren't called in the playoffs..

 

Also, if he doesn't make that block and Allen decides he's going to set up and pass, someone is probably going to get a strip sack on Allen since he's still in pursuit. 

 

I suppose that the NFL should institute a rule for defensive players, saying that they will be penalized if they hit a player after the ball has progressed down the field past them.  (I.e a D Lineman chasing down a reciever after the catch)

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Absolutely true, but I think McDermott's answer to you would be that he wants a versatile guy and McDermott will train him to handle the edge rusher.   I think McDermott doesn't want a guy specially suited to handling edge rushers.   I think his logic is that edge rushers will change, evolve, do different things, and McD wants tackles who can evolve, too.  

 

I don't know.   As I said, I've always thought there prototypical guards and prototypical tackles and very few people were good at both.   I just think McDermott thinks differently.  

 

im not asking for speciality but they have to be able to defend the edge, that is why they signed Daryl Williams.

 

 

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Agreed they probably could've just let that go, but by rule it’s a penalty and a completely unnecessary block by Ford. Allen was well past the defender, what was the point of him doing that?.... probably cost his team the game.

 

it did cost us the game but its incredibly hard for a guy not to block a guy who is trying to chase down the QB. It goes against everything they are taught as it becomes instinct to stop the defenders.

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by Buffalo Barbarian

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, jjmac said:

A name wingback?

Take the League by storm.

 genius Bill B

[Augie]

3 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

Thank you for reminding me of how much I dislike “The Booger”. What an idiot! 

[Hermes]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What two other instances?

 

Either way it was a penalty.... and I was amazed to see Cody Ford on his Twitter still not understanding how.... read the rules. It’s that simple.

 

Honestly, I did a quick YouTube search and it's hard to find them without watching entire videos (and also remembering which teams). I distinctly recall one on wildcard weekend and one in the divisional round. 

 

Regardless, (you are correct) it is technically a penalty by the books. That being said if I were his coach I'd tell him to make that block Everytime, although set a pick rather than engage the defender.

Edited March 28, 2020 by Hermes

[Wily Dog]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

This is why i was surprised we went after Diggs considering this supposed to be the deepest WR draft ever. They must figured he was better than who they could have gotten at 22. Still hoping we get another WR in the draft , he's not the fastest but i really like the way Quintez Cephus plays.

 

 

The reason fort taking Diggs was that it was best for the team. Rookies rarely catch more than 50 balls during their ookie season.I 'm not saying Digg'd will , but he is capable of 50-100 catches plus the experience factor They also have for four years at 10M a year.WE are in a position to win  NOW . WE are not rebuilding this year , we are putting on the finishing touches,,,, I hope

[Shaw66]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

im not asking for speciality but they have to be able to defend the edge, that is why they signed Daryl Williams.

 

I'm expecting Ford to be the right tackle.   I'm expecting he will be much better this season.  They drafted him because they believe he can be a special player, and they're going to work really hard to help him become one.   

 

But they also believe in competition, which is why they signed Williams.  They're willing to let the competition determine who plays.  I don't think they signed Williams because they think Ford can't do it. 

[Augie]

48 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

 

 

it did cost us the game but its incredibly hard for a guy not to block a guy who is trying to chase down the QB. It goes against everything they are taught as it becomes instinct to stop the defenders.

 

 

 

 

If that is against the rules, the problem is the rule. The defender was still playing, chasing the guy with the ball. Still eligible to make the tackle or collect a fumble.  There was no blind side hit, if fact it was barely a push. You will never convince me that should be illegal. 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Agreed they probably could've just let that go, but by rule it’s a penalty and a completely unnecessary block by Ford. Allen was well past the defender, what was the point of him doing that?.... probably cost his team the game.

You can’t really fault Ford for that. There was a player chasing his QB coming right at him.  Every T in the league makes that block.  But it doesn’t matter anyway.  Had the penalty not been called, it was 4th and 5 from the 38.  Hauschka wasn’t kicking a 56 yard FG, and McDermott wasn’t going for it.  At worst, it cost the Bills a few yards of field position, and that was only because of the bad punt (that still rolled to the 17 yard line).  That block was a non-factor in the outcome.

[Cal]

Not sold on McDermott yet. A little to conservative for my liking.

[Rico]

5 hours ago, DJB said:

Well I'm thinking we will see a lot of this

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

The case you make for WR is valid. Still hindsight. 

 

I don’t fault the Ford selection. Never a bad idea to fortify the trenches. Ford was highly touted.

 

Was it the right call? I surely don’t know. But I won’t say it was the difference in us winning or losing vs Houston. 

 

Ok - I understand until proven otherwise, but let’s not pretend that Brady leaving is inconsequential.

 

Again it's not hindsight when everyone knew our weakness at WR and these weren't obscure WRs in the 2nd round.

 

I love how (as in another thread) everyone dumps on "so called experts" mock the draft, and then when a GM whiffs on a pick, the defense of the GM/pick is "well, the guy was highly touted"....by the "so called experts" who's mocks we all mock.

 

And no, that's not why they lost the one game, but it is why they don't have a 1st round pick in this draft.....

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

They decided to address a horrible line first and bring in brown and beasely

 

even though aj looks like a fantastic prospect they have not been proven wrong on Cody yet it sometimes takes ol a year

 

 

 

Even if Ford turns into the greatest OG ever, he can't have the same impact as a stud WR.  Just can't.

[The Patriots always cheat]

Never count out the Patriots to win the division.THE PATRIOTS ARE HABITUAL CHEATERS they got caught AGAIN this past season and they don't seem to care if they get caught.The league doesn't seem to take a serious stand against cheating and just gives them a slap on the wrist. I have also wondered if they get away with it more times than times they get caught and makes it worthwhile to them because they have no integrity and I wonder how many rings would they really have if they played by the rules. One win by cheating can have big consequences meaning by getting home field advantage and or a Bye in the playoffs so I wouldn't put it past  them  to do it in a tight divisional race.

Edited March 28, 2020 by The Patriots always cheat
Grammatical correction

[Bangarang]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Again it's not hindsight when everyone knew our weakness at WR and these weren't obscure WRs in the 2nd round.

Everyone knew our o-line and WR unit needed a complete overhaul. Beane obviously had Ford graded the highest and it clearly fit a position of great need. 
 

I don’t fault BB for the pick. It made sense at the time. Ford was projected to go in the 1st round by almost everyone so getting him in the 2nd seemed like a good pick. 

[John from Riverside]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Again it's not hindsight when everyone knew our weakness at WR and these weren't obscure WRs in the 2nd round.

 

I love how (as in another thread) everyone dumps on "so called experts" mock the draft, and then when a GM whiffs on a pick, the defense of the GM/pick is "well, the guy was highly touted"....by the "so called experts" who's mocks we all mock.

 

And no, that's not why they lost the one game, but it is why they don't have a 1st round pick in this draft.....

 

Even if Ford turns into the greatest OG ever, he can't have the same impact as a stud WR.  Just can't.

I disagree