B-Man Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts Barred From Placing Flags At Veterans’ Cemeteries On Memorial Day by Hank Berrien Original Article The Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts who have traditionally placed American flags on the graves of veterans at veterans’ cemeteries on Memorial Day have been barred from doing so because of the coronavirus crisis. The Scouts cannot perform their acts of honor because the Department of Veteran’s Affairs has banned public events at the sites, Fox News reports, adding, “On Long Island, N.Y., where more than 500,000 veterans are buried at two national military cemeteries, there are demands for the VA to reconsider and rescind the ban.” Suffolk County executive Steve Bellone told Fox News 1 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, PelotonBillsFan said: No need for me to be specific when you link every twitter take from the leading far right conspiracists on a daily basis. There is a need. You claimed that Russia and Trump are trying to re-write history. What history? What happened in 2016 in your own words. Go.
shoshin Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, dubs said: The thing I really don't quite understand is, what is the specific, quantifiable goal that the continued shut downers are trying to achieve. I've heard a wide range: - Until a vaccine is available - Newsome - If we can save one life - Cuomo - Until the science says so - countless people The first two are quantifiable yet so absurd. The last one doesn't really mean anything. If Remainers (outside of Newsome and Cuomo's absurd standard) maintain that we need to balance opening with strict mitigation, then what is the standard or goal we are optimizing for using these models? Is it a death rate? Is it an absolute number of deaths? Is it infection rates and hospitalizations? A combination of those and if so, what are the metrics they are hoping to attain? This is what leads me to believe they have absolutely no idea what they are doing because the only outcome it seems they are trying to achieve is complete minimization of the virus without regard for any other consideration. Given that Cuomo and Newsome are opening their states, you can read their concerns as showing concern for people, not holding them hostage with unreasonable goals in mind.
PelotonBillsFan Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: There is a need. You claimed that Russia and Trump are trying to re-write history. What history? What happened in 2016 in your own words. Go. Trump colluded with Russia. It happened and no link or tweet of yours will change my mind.
dubs Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, shoshin said: Given that Cuomo and Newsome are opening their states, you can read their concerns as showing concern for people, not holding them hostage with unreasonable goals in mind. They are not opening. Using 7 standards and waiting periods per county isn't opening, with the threat of closing back down if things go back. So again, I am not asking what the process is, but what specific outcome is being optimized for in their models? They keep referencing the models, but they are just showing infection rates, hospitalizations, deaths. That's data, not a model. A model is used to inform a decision to influence a future outcome. They have inputs and outputs and goals to optimize for. I am simply asking, what are the goals they are trying to achieve and how are they quantifying it. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, PelotonBillsFan said: Trump colluded with Russia. It happened and no link or tweet of yours will change my mind. "It happened". What evidence do you have that contradicts Mueller's findings? Or three House committees? Or the Senate's? Please share it, you must have something good that no one else has discovered in 4 years of looking and multiple probes.
Magox Posted May 14, 2020 Author Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said: Trump colluded with Russia. It happened and no link or tweet of yours will change my mind. In other words. "FACTS BE DAMNED! I am a mouth-breathing partisan who will only believe what I want to believe. HARUMPHHHHH!!" Edited May 14, 2020 by Magox 4 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: In other words. "FACTS BE DAMNED! I am a mouth-breathing partisan who will only believe what I want to believe. HARUMPHHHHH!!" It's amazing, isn't it? 1 1 1
shoshin Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, dubs said: They are not opening. Using 7 standards and waiting periods per county isn't opening, with the threat of closing back down if things go back. So again, I am not asking what the process is, but what specific outcome is being optimized for in their models? They keep referencing the models, but they are just showing infection rates, hospitalizations, deaths. That's data, not a model. A model is used to inform a decision to influence a future outcome. They have inputs and outputs and goals to optimize for. I am simply asking, what are the goals they are trying to achieve and how are they quantifying it. NYS is pretty much using the CDC guidelines put out by the administration. Those guidelines are excellent.
BillStime Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's amazing, isn't it? Even if 1/4 of this happened, it's way too much but carry on liberal. Trump’s Russia Cover-Up By the Numbers – 272 contacts with Russia-linked operatives 2
B-Man Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Back to the thread.......... FROM THE LOS ANGELES TIMES: The economic devastation wrought by the pandemic could ultimately kill more people than the virus itself. You know what else kills? Poverty and despair. 3
B-Man Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 SHOCK: WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT ‘NUKED THE LOCKDOWNS,’ BUSINESSES CAN REOPEN. “While the Journal-Sentinel claimed that the court ‘struck down Gov. Tony Evers’ order,’ the very first line of the opinion, written by Chief Justice Patience Roggensack, contradicts this claim. ‘This case is about the assertion of power by one unelected official, Andrea Palm, and her order to all people within Wisconsin to remain in their homes, not to travel and to close all businesses that she declares are not ‘essential’ in Emergency Order 28. Palm says that failure to obey Order 28 subjects the transgressor to imprisonment for 30 days, a $250 fine or both. This case is not about Governor Tony Evers’ Emergency Order or the powers of the Governor,’ Roggensack argues.” #RESISTANCE: Sheriff rejects call by Virginia governor to enforce lockdown, cites Constitution. 4
Boatdrinks Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Get Trump out of office. Full stop. Right ! He questions the goal, then lists the excuses being given in order to achieve it. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BillStime said: Even if 1/4 of this happened, it's way too much but carry on liberal. Trump’s Russia Cover-Up By the Numbers – 272 contacts with Russia-linked operatives It's the Moscow Project -- a source which has proven to be wrong about everything they've written on this subject. But please note #56 on the list, Joseph Mifsud. It's claimed he's a Russian intelligence officer -- but we now know for a fact he was a member of the Clinton Foundation and a western spook. ... So if they got that very big fact wrong, how can you put stock in anything they say? Edited May 14, 2020 by Deranged Rhino 1
GG Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: Even if 1/4 of this happened, it's way too much but carry on liberal. Trump’s Russia Cover-Up By the Numbers – 272 contacts with Russia-linked operatives You still haven't defined "operatives" 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, GG said: You still haven't defined "operatives" Clearly he defines "Russian operatives" as active Clinton Foundation members. 1
snafu Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, dubs said: The thing I really don't quite understand is, what is the specific, quantifiable goal that the continued shut downers are trying to achieve. I've heard a wide range: - Until a vaccine is available - Newsome - If we can save one life - Cuomo - Until the science says so - countless people The first two are quantifiable yet so absurd. The last one doesn't really mean anything. If Remainers (outside of Newsome and Cuomo's absurd standard) maintain that we need to balance opening with strict mitigation, then what is the standard or goal we are optimizing for using these models? Is it a death rate? Is it an absolute number of deaths? Is it infection rates and hospitalizations? A combination of those and if so, what are the metrics they are hoping to attain? This is what leads me to believe they have absolutely no idea what they are doing because the only outcome it seems they are trying to achieve is complete minimization of the virus without regard for any other consideration. Yes, the goals haven’t been clearly articulated by the politicians. And when they have, the finish line keeps getting pushed back. The reasoning has been provided by science experts. Most of the politicians haven’t spent a day in the private sector. I get the fact that they have hard decisions to make, I just hope they’re balancing everything correctly. It doesn’t appear so, at least not to me. Most of the science experts can’t see outside their empirical bubble. And even though the’ve been given the reins to make governing decisions, they weren’t elected by anyone. I’m hoping that there’s not too much weight on their advice. At at the end of the day, these are humans making hard decisions. It would be nice if they could articulate their reasonable end game. And it would be even nicer if politics could be removed from the equation. But that second one is a pipe dream. 1 1
BillStime Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Clearly he defines "Russian operatives" as active Clinton Foundation members. Fair enough - 271 meetings with Russia... but its all hoax.
snafu Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said: Completely unresponsive. “Thanks”. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, BillStime said: Fair enough - 271 meetings with Russia... but its all hoax. If you go through that list, you'll see it's all bull####. It's the Rob Reiner's group -- literally meathead is who you've chosen to listen to. 3
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