MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, daz28 said: Did you even read it, or watch the video? It's if you test positive. Also, please don't throw numbers around about something you really don't understand. He is talking about contact tracing. It is not right to say comply with the government or starve. 3
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: He is talking about contact tracing. It is not right to say comply with the government or starve. It depends on what the reasoning for it is. Is it right to send lepers off to an island to live with other lepers to keep everyone else from getting leprosy? People are tracked all the time by their employers, and that's only to ensure they are getting the proper labor for what they are paying the employee. This is literally a matter of life or death. Also, it didn't say what happens if you don't comply. I'm using logic here to assume that starving isn't in any realm of possibility. If you don't comply, then that means you're leaving, and going about your business. No where does it say they will surround your home, and allow no supplies in like it were a castle siege. Comply or starve is simply the term you're using as red meat to rile people up. 100% sensationalism. I suppose worst case scenario is you get fed in jail. Edited May 13, 2020 by daz28
IDBillzFan Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Interesting: 'comply or starve'. They also plan to have you sign in your personal information if you go to any restaurant. I'm 20 minutes from Washington state and it's like being in a completely different country compared to those nuts. 2
Chef Jim Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: A case like that probably would be very tough to prove absent a cluster and a very diligent plaintiff who otherwise could establish that he/she took stringent precautions outside the area in question. I was talking with a lawyer years ago who defended restaurants in food poisoning cases. She said she always asks “did the plaintiff give a stool sample within 24 hours of eating at the restaurant in question?” The answer is usually no. So, according to her, there is no proof the illness came from that restaurant. Case dismissed! Easy money.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, daz28 said: It depends on what the reasoning for it is. Is it right to send lepers off to an island to live with other lepers to keep everyone else from getting leprosy? People are tracked all the time by their employers, and that's only to ensure they are getting the proper labor for what they are paying the employee. This is literally a matter of life or death. The employee consents to their employer tracking them. The Governor is walking barefoot on glass with this order. There is no way I can see a moderate court saying it is ok for the state to be allowed to knock on your door and say you and your family must obey and submit to an invasive medical procedure or be locked in your home under guard by the state police for 14 days. There is a reason AG Barr designated a task force to monitor the states and their lockdown orders, he had the foresight to see how they would evolve into draconian measures. 1 1
Uncle Joe Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Saw this interview yesterday, Alright, alright, alright I am not the biggest Matthew McConaughy fan (and it was on Fox) but I like what he said about "the pandemic being hijacked by partisan politics" 1
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: The employee consents to their employer tracking them. The Governor is walking barefoot on glass with this order. There is no way I can see a moderate court saying it is ok for the state to be allowed to knock on your door and say you and your family must obey and submit to an invasive medical procedure or be locked in your home under guard by the state police for 14 days. There is a reason AG Barr designated a task force to monitor the states and their lockdown orders, he had the foresight to see how they would evolve into draconian measures. Does the employee WANT to consent, or do they feel compelled to? Here's another way to phrase it: "would you be willing to submit to this for the good of yourself, your family, and your community?" Has a court determined that DWI is of grave enough concern that citizens may be stopped, and inspected at any time for the good of society? Stop trying to make it sound so draconian. Does AG Barr have a better plan to stop the spread of the virus? Also, is that the same Bill Barr that said the Patriot Act which wasn't even debated didn't go far enough? I don't see a terrorist act being much worse than this is. Edited May 13, 2020 by daz28
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, daz28 said: It depends on what the reasoning for it is. It only does if your understanding of your innate rights and the constitution is as shallow as a dried puddle. 1 1
Boatdrinks Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, daz28 said: I watched it, and he didn't say that, but why wouldn't anyone comply?? Could anything be stupider than running around KNOWING your ill, and could infect/harm/possibly kill other people? I mean when I'm drunk I'm not allowed to drive, because I could hurt other people. Why is this different than that? It is also very misleading to leave out that he gave assurances that they will be checked in on daily, and they will receive the groceries and medicine they need if they had no outside sources. If you’ve not been tested , nobody knows that you are ill. You may be fine. Invasion of privacy
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: It only does if your understanding of your innate rights and the constitution is as shallow as a dried puddle. If you understand it so well, then where's the outrage for roadblocks and drawing your blood? The Patriot Act basically took away a ridiculous amount of your rights over 3k deaths, and the president said if you don't vote for it the next attack is on you. Neither I, nor probably anyone likes this idea, but it may be what's necessary. They also really have no grounds to continue the measures when the threat is over. 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: If you’ve not been tested , nobody knows that you are ill. You may be fine. Invasion of privacy It doesn't say anything about mandatory testing. It literally says, "Those who test positive will need to isolate for 14 days"
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: If you understand it so well, then where's the outrage for roadblocks and drawing your blood? The Patriot Act basically took away a ridiculous amount of your rights over 3k deaths, and the president said if you don't vote for it the next attack is on you. Neither I, nor probably anyone likes this idea, but it may be what's necessary. They also really have no grounds to continue the measures when the threat is over. That is the rub. There is little incentive to end the "threat" given the trillions of 0% money being distributed. We are in a sense hostages being held for ransom at this point. Just my opinion of course.
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: That is the rub. There is little incentive to end the "threat" given the trillions of 0% money being distributed. We are in a sense hostages being held for ransom at this point. Just my opinion of course. Does this make much sense? The measures are being done to reduce cases, so how could they be also simultaneously be working to make it perpetual? The only thing that might do that is no testing, no tracing, no social distancing, and open everything up with no measures, which is the opposite of what they are doing.
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: Does this make much sense? The measures are being done to reduce cases, so how could they be also simultaneously be working to make it perpetual? The only thing that might do that is no testing, no tracing, no social distancing, and open everything up with no measures, which is the opposite of what they are doing. The sales pitch and the real world result are never the same thing when politics and business are involved. 2
dubs Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 I am fully in the open up camp. This shutdown is destroying lives among other issues (loss of rights, irreparable damage to the economy, crushing debts). We all take risks in our lives and this is no different. Open up, take precautions, let the private sector sort out their own choices, and let's go. 5 1
Tiberius Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 3:36 PM, Magox said: The economic cost of a protracted downturn is mind bending, but there is a human health component to it as well. The 2008 downturn according to studies caused over 12,000 suicides and Tens of thousands of indirect deaths due to added stress which lowers people's immune systems that makes those with heart and cancer afflictions specially at risk. This DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A BINARY CHOICE! - It does NOT HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER. There is a responsible way to decide when we can begin this and how it would look like. For those of you that are interested in seeing this Harvard study on the impacts of protracted unemployment to people's health you can read that here. Yes, the costs are really terrible. Republicans not even considering a bailout of state and local governments that the Dems proposed.Think of all the extra deaths that will happen if the states have to lay off workers! Why compound that? That's different though, right? Don't be a hypocrite now
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, daz28 said: If you understand it so well, then where's the outrage for roadblocks and drawing your blood? The Patriot Act basically took away a ridiculous amount of your rights over 3k deaths, and the president said if you don't vote for it the next attack is on you. Neither I, nor probably anyone likes this idea, but it may be what's necessary. They also really have no grounds to continue the measures when the threat is over. You're a fool. You NEVER get the rights back you give up willingly. Ever. You didn't in 9/11 per your own example, and the Patriot Act did nothing to keep us safe. Nothing. 4 1
daz28 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're a fool. You NEVER get the rights back you give up willingly. Ever. You didn't in 9/11 per your own example, and the Patriot Act did nothing to keep us safe. Nothing. I'm not agreeing with the Patriot Act, but there still is global terrorism, and I'm not looking to debate that. The thing is they can at least make that claim. Which rights do you think you permanently lose , and what justification do you think they will use to continue them after the Covid infections subside?
Deranged Rhino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, daz28 said: I'm not agreeing with the Patriot Act, but there still is global terrorism, and I'm not looking to debate that. The thing is they can at least make that claim. Which rights do you think you permanently lose , and what justification do you think they will use to continue them after the Covid infections subside? We lost the fourth amendment to the Patriot Act, and still haven't gotten it back. All you need to do is look at the REAL story with ObamaGate to see how. Your fear does not give the state the right to take away my rights. Sorry. That's not how it works unless you have the spine of a jellyfish. 2 1
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