There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[B-Man]

 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Dangerous “ misinformation “ to the lefties. Lol 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Actually, one of the reasons we chose Northern Idaho over Wyoming is it's protected by a continental divide that mostly shields it from the blistering cold and winds you see in Montana and Wyoming. So we get down in the 20s for a bit, and even into teens, but not for long, and that's it, on average. We were skiing in long-sleeved shirts near winter's end.

 

To give a better idea of proximity, I'm a 20-minute drive to Spokane, WA, the other reason we chose this area, because we have a nice, small international airport for when, y'know, I have to actually work for a living.

 

My concern is that a lot of people are going to look at this area and realize this is where they need to be when the next pandemic hits. 

If you see an average looking guy wandering around, looking harmless enough with a slightly lazy eye, don't shoot. We mostly keep to ourselves, the missus and I, but we'd like a little land to, uh, till (?) and a couple dogs running about. 

 

Congrats on finding your spot Id, that's great.  Long term we're looking for warm in the winter and have that buttoned up with S Fla, trying to figure out where to live the rest of the year. We have 3 adult children (20-25), want to be near them as time goes on, and as of right now that's Upstate NY.  We'll see how it goes...we're late 50s so the next 5-6 years tells the tale. 

 

Thanks for the scoop on Idaho, always cool to hear about another part of this vast and beautiful country! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Wow, people seem terrified to go out and about. The economy isn’t going to rebound when we open anyway ,so we may as well stay locked down for a few years. 

We did errands today. The driving traffic difference between this week and last week was enormous (much, much more traffic this week). The stores were packed.  I am sure it being over 65° outside helped, but I am not certain how much longer people will be down with masks+ social distancing + lock down.



 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

We did errands today. The driving traffic difference between this week and last week was enormous (much, much more traffic this week). The stores were packed.  I am sure it being over 65° outside helped, but I am not cerrain how much longer people will be down with masks+ social distancing + lock down.

 

Maybe I'm just old, but the mask thing is kind of a no-brainer to me. I get they're a bit annoying, especially if you wear glasses, but all you're essentially doing is protecting other people from you. We have no idea what is wrong with the person in front of us in line, or passing us on the street. They could have a compromised immune system, but THEIR mask doesn't help them. So assuming masks really do protect others from us, it seems we should naturally want to do this.

 

Of course, then there will be masks everywhere and CA an NY will ban plastic masks and make us use recyclable masks so we don't infect the delta smelt, but one problem at a time.

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

We did errands today. The driving traffic difference between this week and last week was enormous (much, much more traffic this week). The stores were packed.  I am sure it being over 65° outside helped, but I am not cerrain how much longer people will be down with masks+ social distancing + lock down.



 

Interesting . And I agree on your outlook. Imo  some distancing will be fine for awhile , but masks should go away. I’m surprised there hasn’t been more outcry about this, but maybe NYers are okay with being controlled by a tyrannical Governor ? Ohio and DeWine had a sensible approach and didn’t mandate masks , left it up to retailers etc and noted that some found mandating a mask offensive. De wine said requiring it would be an overreach and I agree with him. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Maybe I'm just old, but the mask thing is kind of a no-brainer to me. I get they're a bit annoying, especially if you wear glasses, but all you're essentially doing is protecting other people from you. We have no idea what is wrong with the person in front of us in line, or passing us on the street. They could have a compromised immune system, but THEIR mask doesn't help them. So assuming masks really do protect others from us, it seems we should naturally want to do this.

 

Of course, then there will be masks everywhere and CA an NY will ban plastic masks and make us use recyclable masks so we don't infect the delta smelt, but one problem at a time.

I worn an N-95 one last week and could not breathe. I touched my face constantly to try and move it around and get some air.

This week, about 50% of the people in the stores had hospital/construction masks, 50% looked like some version of the Frito Bandito. My "mask" was a decorative summer scarf - probably useless in blocking my expelled air, but compliant (Heil!), and I could breath because it was so thin.


 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I worn an N-95 one last week and could not breathe. I touched my face constantly to try and move it around and get some air.

This week, about 50% of the people in the stores had hospital/construction masks, 50% looked like some version of the Frito Bandito. My "mask" was a decorative summer scarf - probably useless in blocking my expelled air, but compliant (Heil!), and I could breath because it was so thin.


 

A friend of mine has recently recovered from cancer, and her doctors instructed her to wear an N 95 mask, fwiw. I believe it is to help her, not to protect others from her fwiw. An 95 will give a person some measure of protection from those around them. 

[IDBillzFan]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

My "mask" was a decorative summer scarf -

 

The Blix look. Very nice. 

 

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

A friend of mine has recently recovered from cancer, and her doctors instructed her to wear an N 95 mask, fwiw. I believe it is to help her, not to protect others from her fwiw. An 95 will give a person some measure of protection from those around them. 

 

This is kind of my point about being courteous. Anyone on this board at this moment can throw a rock and hit someone going through or recovering from cancer. We don't know who these people are, so a bit of courtesy would be terrific.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

A friend of mine has recently recovered from cancer, and her doctors instructed her to wear an N 95 mask, fwiw. I believe it is to help her, not to protect others from her fwiw. An 95 will give a person some measure of protection from those around them. 

As I understand it, a mask protects others from you.  Your sneeze particles get caught in the mask instead of becoming airborne, and your cough whatevers same (caught up in the mask).  I suppose if someone were to sneeze in your face, you (generic you) would be protected at nose and mouth, but not at your eyes. I wonder if it helps her not breathe in other people's sneezes and coughs expectorants, assuming they are not wearing masks to catch them?

 

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

As I understand it, a mask protects others from you.  Your sneeze particles get caught in the mask instead of becoming airborne, and your cough whatevers same (caught up in the mask).  I suppose if someone were to sneeze in your face, you (generic you) would be protected at nose and mouth, but not at your eyes. I wonder if it helps her not breathe in other people's sneezes and coughs expectorants, assuming they are not wearing masks to catch them?

 

 

That's my understanding of the N95. My wearing a regular mask is me protecting you. My wearing an N95 mask is me protecting both of us. If you hit me with your expectorants from 6 feet, you need to see a doctor.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

The Blix look. Very nice. 

 

 

This is kind of my point about being courteous. Anyone on this board at this moment can throw a rock and hit someone going through or recovering from cancer. We don't know who these people are, so a bit of courtesy would be terrific.

I agree on being courteous to a point , but forced compliance is another thing altogether. At least it is to me. Anyway, I don’t think masks are appropriate for say a restaurant. You’re there to eat, drink and socialize. Those with conditions that leave them vulnerable can wear a mask, limit their exposure to others and make other lifestyle modifications. That includes not going to these types of establishments. Others may be more willing to part ways with freedoms but I am not. I understand if others don’t agree, though. 

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

As I understand it, a mask protects others from you.  Your sneeze particles get caught in the mask instead of becoming airborne, and your cough whatevers same (caught up in the mask).  I suppose if someone were to sneeze in your face, you (generic you) would be protected at nose and mouth, but not at your eyes. I wonder if it helps her not breathe in other people's sneezes and coughs expectorants, assuming they are not wearing masks to catch them?

 

I think it does provide some protection, but it probably would be best to move away from that person or at least stay 6 feet or more apart. It’s not foolproof to be sure. 

[B-Man]

 

 

I know that our local (rural) hospital, the Olean General, has now asked for "voluntary" layoffs.

 

 

REOPEN UPSTATE !

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I agree on being courteous to a point , but forced compliance is another thing altogether. At least it is to me. Anyway, I don’t think masks are appropriate for say a restaurant. You’re there to eat, drink and socialize. Those with conditions that leave them vulnerable can wear a mask, limit their exposure to others and make other lifestyle modifications. That includes not going to these types of establishments. Others may be more willing to part ways with freedoms but I am not. I understand if others don’t agree, though. 

I think it does provide some protection, but it probably would be best to move away from that person or at least stay 6 feet or more apart. It’s not foolproof to be sure. 

Yup. It is a slippery slope.  {slaps forehead} What am I saying? Our government would never overreach! /sarc tag

Masks are impossible in a restaurant. I agree that people who are vulnerable may want to avoid restaurants in the near-term, or eat out on the patio in the sun (eating in the sun makes some people pukey though).
 

[B-Man]

                           

 

 

 

 

 

 

                      

 

 

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

FOX NEWS CHANNEL TO PRESENT A VIRTUAL TOWN HALL WITH PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ON SUNDAY, MAY 3RD
 

NEW YORK – April 29, 2020 — FOX News Channel (FNC) will host a two-hour virtual town hall with President Donald Trump on Sunday, May 3rd from 7-9 PM/ET. Co-moderated by chief political anchor and executive editor of Special Report, Bret Baier and anchor and executive editor of The Story, Martha MacCallum, the socially-distanced forum entitled America Together: Returning to Work, will take place live from the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., where President Trump will answer viewer-submitted questions from 7:15-8:45 PM/ET.
 

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Fox News to host 'America Together: Returning to Work' town hall with Trump
 

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Trump last appeared for a sit-down interview with Baier and MacCallum on March 5 for a town hall in Scranton, Pa.
 

The Scranton event was the most-watched election town hall in cable news history, according to Nielsen Media Research, drawing more than 4.2 million viewers.
 

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[Koko78]

50 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

                     

 

Better to be ~2,450 years late than never!

[B-Man]

 

Pro-Democracy Protestors in North Carolina Face off Against Cosplaying Pro-Regime Counter Demonstrators

 

Just some data points.

1) Your choice of occupation does not give you a right to restrict my ability to live as I wish and to legally earn a living,

 

2) the reason that you have time to be a lapdog of fascism is because you don’t have actual patients to tend to 

 

3) turning out just a dozen people to protest is not a sign of strength, particularly when you are following the lead of totalitarians everywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Maybe I'm just old, but the mask thing is kind of a no-brainer to me. I get they're a bit annoying, especially if you wear glasses, but all you're essentially doing is protecting other people from you. We have no idea what is wrong with the person in front of us in line, or passing us on the street. They could have a compromised immune system, but THEIR mask doesn't help them. So assuming masks really do protect others from us, it seems we should naturally want to do this.

 

Of course, then there will be masks everywhere and CA an NY will ban plastic masks and make us use recyclable masks so we don't infect the delta smelt, but one problem at a time.

 

 

I agree....I have been promoting a phased in opening up the economy approach for a while, with that said when my family goes out we wear the masks...We try to keep a reasonable distance.  Even though there is strong data that supports that the fears are overblown, we still want to do our part.  I'd hate for any of us to get the Virus and then pass it on to anyone and then something happen to that person.    So while I will not let the Virus impact our lives nearly as much as the doomsdayers who seemingly want to stay shut in till perpetuity, we want to be as responsible as we can about it.

[shoshin]

28 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

I agree....I have been promoting a phased in opening up the economy approach for a while, with that said when my family goes out we wear the masks...We try to keep a reasonable distance.  Even though there is strong data that supports that the fears are overblown, we still want to do our part.  I'd hate for any of us to get the Virus and then pass it on to anyone and then something happen to that person.    So while I will not let the Virus impact our lives nearly as much as the doomsdayers who seemingly want to stay shut in till perpetuity, we want to be as responsible as we can about it.

 

Hard to justify a position not to wear a mask because it's hard to breathe and itches. No kidding. No one love it. But when we lift this thing and I am eager to do so sensibly, case counts will go up, hospitals will get busier, and more people will die.

 

Shouldn't we take the easy steps to keep that to a minimum? Face masks in stores, social distance reasonably. Avoid large crowds. Extra handwashing and sanitizing of hands. Extreme precautions around at-risk people. Our business will stay remote for a while just because we can. None of these things are huge. 

 

We know this is an extremely contagious disease and it will kill a lot more people no matter what % the mortality measure is. The least we can do is our part to minimize that, even if it's kind of annoying.