3rdnlng Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sure, open up, open up massage parlors, right? Can’t have people getting depressed, gotta get those massages You must not want to get back to work? 1
Koko78 Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: You must not want to get back to work? Bob Kraft needs his happy ending!
shoshin Posted April 23, 2020 Posted April 23, 2020 Merkel sounding sensible again. But virologists have expressed concern that the loosening could result in a surge in the rate of spreading and strain the health system, which has so far been able to cope with the outbreak. Ms. Merkel said that she stood by her decisions to impose restrictions, and to allow them to be slowly eased, but cautioned against creating a false sense of security among the population by rescinding them too swiftly. “Nobody wants to hear this, but the truth is that we are not living in the final phase of this pandemic, but at the beginning,” she said. “We are going to have to live with it for a long time.” But the chancellor also noted that the outbreak and subsequent lockdown was proving challenging. “This pandemic is an imposition on our democracy, because it restricts our existential rights and needs,” she said.
B-Man Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 BRYAN PRESTON: How About Some Compassion for the Closed? .
B-Man Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Minnesota To Start Reopening On Monday https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/24/go-minnesota-start-reopening-monday/ Pence To Geraldo: We Might Be Pretty Much Back To Normal By Memorial Day https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/24/pence-geraldo-might-pretty-much-back-normal-memorial-day/ . 2 4
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, B-Man said: Minnesota To Start Reopening On Monday https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/24/go-minnesota-start-reopening-monday/ Pence To Geraldo: We Might Be Pretty Much Back To Normal By Memorial Day https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/04/24/pence-geraldo-might-pretty-much-back-normal-memorial-day/ . Hopefully we will be. Cuomo will fight it tooth and nail, of course. He’s about to roll out his new plan “ 500 days to bend the slowdown of the curve’s peak” complete with visuals reassuring us how short the lockdown is compared to the Crusades. 3
Chef Jim Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 I think we need to change the title of this thread to: There Should be a Dialog in Getting the PPP Knuckleheads Back to Work Geesh. 3
Magox Posted April 24, 2020 Author Posted April 24, 2020 Came across a fact based opinion article today. The data is in, stop the panic - end the total isolation Data set 1 Quote In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19. Data set 2 Quote We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent per 100,000. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." The data is showing that the targeted social distancing measures is the way to move forward. 5
Tiberius Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence repeatedly told Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp that they approved of his aggressive plan to allow businesses to reopen, just a day before Trump pulled an about-face and publicly bashed the plan, according to two administration officials. The green light from Pence and Trump came in separate private conversations with the Republican governor both before Kemp announced his plan to ease coronavirus restrictions and after it was unveiled on Monday, the officials said. Trump’s sudden shift came only after top health advisers reviewed the plan more closely and persuaded the president that Kemp was risking further spread of the virus by moving too quickly. https://apnews.com/a031d395d414ffa655fdc65e6760d6a0 ?
RochesterRob Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Hopefully we will be. Cuomo will fight it tooth and nail, of course. He’s about to roll out his new plan “ 500 days to bend the slowdown of the curve’s peak” complete with visuals reassuring us how short the lockdown is compared to the Crusades. Between Cuomo's sound bites and what little I hear from a relative in a county health department (can't say which one) I am expecting that there will be a shutdown again towards the end of October. Cuomo will up the wattage on his push for mail in voting. 1
Gary M Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Between Cuomo's sound bites and what little I hear from a relative in a county health department (can't say which one) I am expecting that there will be a shutdown again towards the end of October. Cuomo will up the wattage on his push for mail in voting. Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state.
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state. True, but little that Cuomo does or says makes sense.
RochesterRob Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: Makes no sense NY would never be a Trump state. The Dems want to minimize the chance of a GOP Governor in NY and get rid of an already dwindling number of GOP congress people. NY west of the Hudson River would already be partially open if a GOP Governor was calling the shots plus make a Dem Mayor of NYC less effective in terms of criticism of high ranking Republicans. Face it. NY is the Democratic Showcase for what they hope to do on a national level.
RiotAct Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Hopefully we will be. Cuomo will fight it tooth and nail, of course. He’s about to roll out his new plan “ 500 days to bend the slowdown of the curve’s peak” complete with visuals reassuring us how short the lockdown is compared to the Crusades. don’t forget about how balanced the state’s budget was before evil racist Trump denied the states all their $$$$$$. 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence repeatedly told Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp that they approved of his aggressive plan to allow businesses to reopen, just a day before Trump pulled an about-face and publicly bashed the plan, according to two administration officials. The green light from Pence and Trump came in separate private conversations with the Republican governor both before Kemp announced his plan to ease coronavirus restrictions and after it was unveiled on Monday, the officials said. Trump’s sudden shift came only after top health advisers reviewed the plan more closely and persuaded the president that Kemp was risking further spread of the virus by moving too quickly. https://apnews.com/a031d395d414ffa655fdc65e6760d6a0 ? Lol, what a crock of BS. Which is it now? Isn’t the goal to “ slow the spread” or is it to stop it completely ( that’s not going to happen) ? You don’t even know, do you Tibs? Here in BUF, a local news channel had a quote from an area doctor saying the early antibody testing data was “ disappointing”. He said you “ would hope there would be a higher rate of infection.”So which is it ? Herd immunity doesn’t happen when the population at large is shut in and shut down. Libs just want to tank the economy beyond repair, even though the vast majority of people won’t have an extreme reaction to Coronavirus. It seems the original goal has somehow shifted into preventing anyone anywhere from contracting Coronavirus, which isn’t realistic or even possible. 2
RochesterRob Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 58 minutes ago, Magox said: Came across a fact based opinion article today. The data is in, stop the panic - end the total isolation Data set 1 Data set 2 The data is showing that the targeted social distancing measures is the way to move forward. Months of social distancing will be the death of quite a number of businesses including retail stores and restaurants. 1
Magox Posted April 24, 2020 Author Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's becoming evidently clear that the battle lines have already been drawn. The States that are ready to begin phasing in the workforce which generally speaking are the red states vs the states that are pumping the brakes on opening up the economy. Let's cut through the B.S and call it for what it is, it's political. Trump is eager to open up and his opponents want to do the opposite under the pretext of "we need more testing". If the red states truly believe in the data, they should lead the way. Which it appears they will be doing. And we'll see which camp ends up being right. But the states leading the way need to be prepared for the onslaught of negative media coverage that they will receive. No matter what happens, the media will highlight every single death and blame it on them. So they need to have their arguments and data ready to counterpunch in a sustained matter to push back against the media's claims. But before they do that, the governors that are leading the way should define success before the media and the left define what failure looks like. 3
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2020 Posted April 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Magox said: It's becoming evidently clear that the battle lines have already been drawn. The States that are ready to begin phasing in the workforce which generally speaking are the red states vs the states that are pumping the brakes on opening up the economy. Let's cut through the B.S and call it for what it is, it's political. Trump is eager to open up and his opponents want to do the opposite under the pretext of "we need more testing". If the red states truly believe in the data, they should lead the way. Which it appears they will be doing. And we'll see which camp ends up being right. But the states leading the way need to be prepared for the onslaught of negative media coverage that they will receive. No matter what happens, the media will highlight every single death and blame it on them. So they need to have their arguments and data ready to counterpunch in a sustained matter to push back against the media's claims. But before they do that, the governors that are leading the way should define success before the media and the left define what failure looks like. I still haven’t heard anyone who says we need more testing explain exactly how it would be done ,what they’d like to accomplish with it, and how it would be implemented. Seems to be a red herring... 1
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