There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I think he was going to veto their override... did he? This is the last I read.

 

 

…...neither House or Senate have enough votes to override his expected veto.....

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

…...neither House or Senate have enough votes to override his expected veto.....

Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[Buffalo_Gal]

10 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. 

What is odd? The override? Or the veto?  IOW, what came first, the plan or the override that forced the plan?

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Gov Wolf is rolling out his phased plan today, which will give the Reps something specific to make politics over. This was an odd political maneuver in advance of Wolf’s plan. 

 

...I have 12 on furlough for our PA operation and 6 in NJ.......at least in NY, we are deemed an ESSENTIAL BUSINESS, operations continue.....175 field construction workers ...

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Don't mind the protesting. Just that people foolish standing too close or near each other.  Like President Trump phase's. Phase 1. 

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Don't mind the protesting. Just that people foolish standing too close or near each other.  Like President Trump phase's. Phase 1. 

phase zero really. It’s moronic. 

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

What is odd? The override? Or the veto?  IOW, what came first, the plan or the override that forced the plan?

 

Wolf has been saying his plan was coming this week. The Reps did it so they could make him threaten to veto a bill about opening the economy. Petty state stupidity.

 

Edit. Here is the Wolf Plan. Zero specifics. It  is crap. It may someday be good but it has a ton of nonsense. His plan has a ton of non Covid related dem dreams. It’s awful. 
 

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/gov-wolf-unveils-plan-for-pennsylvanias-covid-19-recovery/

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[Buffalo_Gal]

Michigan is gonna start reopening May 1st.
 

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said on Friday she is hopeful the state can begin to reengage parts of its economy beginning on May 1, days after facing a barrage of criticism for her strict measures to combat the new coronavirus.
 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Michigan is gonna start reopening May 1st.
 

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said on Friday she is hopeful the state can begin to reengage parts of its economy beginning on May 1, days after facing a barrage of criticism for her strict measures to combat the new coronavirus.
 

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....such a consistent "leader"......

[Q-baby!]

6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....such a consistent "leader"......

Is she a stable genius? 

[B-Man]

Strassel: Here’s Why the Democrats Keep Moving the Shutdown Goal Posts

 

 

In mid-March, President Trump announced his 15-day plan to shut down the economy. His administration’s hope was that we could “flatten the curve” and “slow the spread” of COVID-19. Toward the end of that period, the situation was reassessed and the decision was made to extend the shutdown until the end of April. By now, most cities and regions of the US, including New York State, the epicenter of the pandemic, have managed to achieve this milestone and Americans, currently ending our fifth week of the quarantine, are growing restless.

 

The Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel writes, “The goal of the shutdown was never to eradicate the disease—an impossibility absent a vaccine. The lockdown was designed to buy the health sector time, to make sure all the cases didn’t hit at once in a crush that would overwhelm hospitals, à la Italy.”

 

Politico reports that, according to comments House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made during a two hour conference call with her caucus this week, her conditions for ending the shutdown have changed. She said that “Trump was putting Americans in grave danger if he rushes to reopen the economy at the end of this month.” The Politico story said, “Until a robust testing and contact tracing system is in place, [Pelosi believes] it would be impossible for the president to guarantee Americans a safe reentry into their normal life.”

 

 

Knowing that the longer the lockdown remains in effect, the deeper and more prolonged the recession will be, Democrats would like to see it continue for as long as possible. They are acutely aware that a slow economy will hurt the President’s chances of reelection.

Strassel writes:

By these standards, no lockdown may end until the Trump administration can “guarantee” a “safe” world in which people return to “normal.” The feds must stand up a testing system capable of hunting down and snuffing out each new infection. There can be no more outbreaks, and reopening cannot “significantly add” to existing counts (and the press reserves the authority to define “significantly.”) The unsaid corollary is that Mr. Trump will be held politically responsible for reopening in any way that fails to meet these baselines—on the hook for each subsequent death.

 

More at the link.

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[3rdnlng]

15 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

They can re-open the economy, but I personally won’t be going to bars, restaurants (outside of takeout every now and then), airports, gyms, or large gatherings for a while. You realize 20 percent of people under 45 are hospitalized from this thing?

 

F That. People can talk tough all they want until they are a family member ends up in the hospital. 
 

I don’t think the government have any idea the scope of this thing either as nobody has any answers for the lack of testing. 

Your so called statistics would mean that 10's of millions of people are hospitalized from this virus. I assumed as a Jets fan you must be at least a little nuts but I may have underestimated just how much. 

[SoCal Deek]

14 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Your so called statistics would mean that 10's of millions of people are hospitalized from this virus. I assumed as a Jets fan you must be at least a little nuts but I may have underestimated just how much. 

Just let him stay in his house. It’ll work out better for the rest of us in the long run.

[Magox]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

Strassel: Here’s Why the Democrats Keep Moving the Shutdown Goal Posts

 

 

In mid-March, President Trump announced his 15-day plan to shut down the economy. His administration’s hope was that we could “flatten the curve” and “slow the spread” of COVID-19. Toward the end of that period, the situation was reassessed and the decision was made to extend the shutdown until the end of April. By now, most cities and regions of the US, including New York State, the epicenter of the pandemic, have managed to achieve this milestone and Americans, currently ending our fifth week of the quarantine, are growing restless.

 

The Wall Street Journal’s Kimberley Strassel writes, “The goal of the shutdown was never to eradicate the disease—an impossibility absent a vaccine. The lockdown was designed to buy the health sector time, to make sure all the cases didn’t hit at once in a crush that would overwhelm hospitals, à la Italy.”

 

Politico reports that, according to comments House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made during a two hour conference call with her caucus this week, her conditions for ending the shutdown have changed. She said that “Trump was putting Americans in grave danger if he rushes to reopen the economy at the end of this month.” The Politico story said, “Until a robust testing and contact tracing system is in place, [Pelosi believes] it would be impossible for the president to guarantee Americans a safe reentry into their normal life.”

 

 

Knowing that the longer the lockdown remains in effect, the deeper and more prolonged the recession will be, Democrats would like to see it continue for as long as possible. They are acutely aware that a slow economy will hurt the President’s chances of reelection.

Strassel writes:

By these standards, no lockdown may end until the Trump administration can “guarantee” a “safe” world in which people return to “normal.” The feds must stand up a testing system capable of hunting down and snuffing out each new infection. There can be no more outbreaks, and reopening cannot “significantly add” to existing counts (and the press reserves the authority to define “significantly.”) The unsaid corollary is that Mr. Trump will be held politically responsible for reopening in any way that fails to meet these baselines—on the hook for each subsequent death.

 

More at the link.

 

 

 

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Now this is treachery

[B-Man]

 

[Doc Brown]

36 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Your so called statistics would mean that 10's of millions of people are hospitalized from this virus. I assumed as a Jets fan you must be at least a little nuts but I may have underestimated just how much. 

You know he meant among those that tested positive for the tomhanksvirus.  

 

8 hours ago, shoshin said:

 

Yes it does and you should wear the mask. 

 

These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months. 

I don't think it's that complicated.  You tell everyone with preexisting conditions and the elderly to stay home and everybody else can go back to work using proper social distancing measures.  Make sure you don't visit those that are vulnerable.  The hospitals won't be overrun and you'll eventually develop herd immunity.  

 

The people I feel bad for are younger people with preexisting conditions that will have to go back to work to make ends meet and keep their health insurance.  

Edited April 18, 2020 by Doc Brown

[3rdnlng]

16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You know he meant among those that tested positive for the tomhanksvirus.  

 

 

No, I don't know that he meant something different than what he clearly stated. 

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

No, I don't know that he meant something different than what he clearly stated. 

Fair enough.  I give people the benefit of the doubt.

[Taraka]