There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[shoshin]

As an update on one business's trek through the PPP process. After filling out many forms, changing the number we could request several times (all downwards), my business got funded today. It's a minimal amount but along with all the squeezing we've already done, it should help us stay afloat for 2 more weeks than we otherwise would have. 

[B-Man]

 

 

SHOT: Reopen California? That’s the toughest phase yet, Newsom says.

—CalMatters, Wednesday.

 

 

Chaser:

 

 

Related: Freedom Is Starting to Break Out.

 

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

TRUMP GIVES GOVERNORS THREE-PHASE PLAN TO REOPEN ECONOMY.

 

 

 

 

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[Albwan]

8 hours ago, Hardhatharry said:

Democrats actually have nothing to do with this...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/04/payroll-protection-program-out-of-money-as-nancy-pelosi-still-demands-additional-unrelated-spending/

Actually, they do.

Edited April 17, 2020 by Albwan

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

a good article from sundance over at the CTH. explains why we quite possibly are seeing the push to reopen the economy.

 

AG Secretary Sonny Perdue Discusses Challenges Shifting Food Supply Chains….

The U.S. economy will reopen sooner rather than later specifically because of non-discussed issues in the total U.S. food supply chain.  While government officials have to be very careful in public comments, AG Secretary Sonny Perdue hinted toward the issue today during his remarks at the coronavirus task force briefing.  WATCH:

 

 

The issue is slightly complex; and with two months of manufactured food supply-chain stress; it is now becoming increasingly important to re-open consumer access to the fresh-food side of the aggregate supply chain (ie. restaurants, cafe’s, and food away from home).

 

Most Americans were not aware food consumption in the U.S. was a 55/45 proposition. Approximately 55% of all food was consumed “outside the home” (or food away from home), and 45% of all food consumed was food “inside the home” (grocery shoppers).

 

 

Food ‘outside the home’ included: restaurants, fast-food locales, schools, corporate cafeterias, university lunchrooms, manufacturing cafeterias, hotels, food trucks, park and amusement food sellers and many more. Many of those venues are not thought about when people evaluate the overall U.S. food delivery system; however, this network was approximately 55 percent of all food consumption on a daily basis.

 

The ‘food away from home‘ sector has its own supply chain. Very few restaurants and venues (cited above) purchase food products from retail grocery outlets. As a result of the coronavirus mitigation effort the ‘food away from home’ sector has been reduced by 75% of daily food delivery operations. However, people still need to eat. That means retail food outlets, grocers, are seeing sales increases of 25 to 50 percent, depending on the area.

 

•Phase One was retail. •Phase two was distribution. •Phase three was the space between processing/manufacturing and distribution. •Phase four was raw material supply to manufacturing. •Phase five is consumer packaging capacity, and bulk storage inventories.

 

This is the phase where Secretary Sonny Perdue starts getting concerned…

 

♦ Phase Five – The retail consumer supply chain for manufactured and processed food products includes bulk storage to compensate for seasonality. As Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue recently noted “there are over 800 commercial and public warehouses in the continental 48 states that store frozen products.”

 

Here is a snapshot of the food we had in storage at the end of February: over 302 million pounds of frozen butter; 1.36 billion pounds of frozen cheese; 925 million pounds of frozen chicken; over 1 billion pounds of frozen fruit; nearly 2.04 billion pounds of frozen vegetables; 491 million pounds of frozen beef; and nearly 662 million pounds of frozen pork.

 

This bulk food storage is how the total U.S. consumer food supply ensures consistent availability even with weather impacts.  As a nation we essentially stay one harvest ahead of demand by storing it and smoothing out any peak/valley shortfalls. There are a total of 175,642 commercial facilities involved in this supply-chain across the country

 

Few Americans are aware of this.  However, that stored-food-supply is the supply-chain for food manufacturers who process the ingredients into a variety of branded food products and distribute to your local supermarket.

 

That bulk stored food, and the subsequent supply chain, is entirely separate from the commercial fresh food supply chain used by restaurants, hotels, cafeterias etc.  For almost 8 weeks the retail consumer supply chain has been operating beyond capacity and the burn rate of raw food products is up a stunning 40 percent.

 

Those bulk warehouses, the feeder pools for retail/consumer manufactured food products, are starting to run low.

 

Believe me: (1) we don’t want to find out what happens when those 800 mass storage facilities run out; and (2) the food supply chain will be a big part of President Trump’s decision-making on reopening the economy thereby re-opening restaurants, cafeterias, etc…. and switching consumption back to fresh supply.

 

This “bigger picture” is not being considered by politically-minded governors, DC politicians, and public health-centric advisors who focus exclusively on the virus.

 

Additionally, there are very specific issues within each supply chain (commercial and consumer). It is not as easy as people think to move the commercial supply-chain (restaurants etc.) into the consumer supply chain (grocers). First, there are simply packaging capacity issues.  Additionally, there’s an entirely different set of regulations on the processing side for the consumer supply chain. ...

 

  Another aspect of the economy that most self proclaimed "experts" know next to nothing about.

[Koko78]

34 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

SHOT: Reopen California? That’s the toughest phase yet, Newsom says.

—CalMatters, Wednesday.

 

 

Chaser:

 

 

Related: Freedom Is Starting to Break Out.

 

These idiots somehow forgot that this is still America (and have learned nothing from history.) We will put up with temporary restrictions for a time, but eventually we're always going to rebel against oppressive measures.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

These idiots somehow forgot that this is still America (and have learned nothing from history.) We will put up with temporary restrictions for a time, but eventually we're always going to rebel against oppressive measures.

 

...unfortunately this is just the beginning......once the "cabin fever revolt" starts, it will snowball...…...

[B-Man]

 Vegas Mayor: Shutdown ‘Total Insanity,’ ‘Makes No Sense’; ‘We Must Open’ Now

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-vegas-mayor-shutdown-total-insanity-makes-no-sense-we-must-open-now?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwbrand

 

 

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[KRC]

2 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

Well hell man, the government will just pay them. With what? Who cares? Tax revenue declines don't matter. We can just make a 'wealth tax'!

 

Tax the rich!! It solves everything!!

[Koko78]

21 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...unfortunately this is just the beginning......once the "cabin fever revolt" starts, it will snowball...…...

 

I see it starting in either Michigan or Virginia. They seem to be the most asinine about instituting arbitrary policies.

 

As much of a piece of crap Cuomo is, he's not going too far off the deep end (though I have no intention of following his forced mask policy - a thin cloth covering does little-to-nothing to prevent transmission.)

4 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

Tax the rich!! It solves everything!!

 

You're correct, of course. We'll most likely have to squeeze them for 500% of their total wealth in taxes (we still have to pay for the Green New Deal and free healthcare for everyone, after all.)

[KRC]

4 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

You're correct, of course. We'll most likely have to squeeze them for 500% of their total wealth in taxes (we still have to pay for the Green New Deal and free healthcare for everyone, after all.)

 

500% is a little light for everything. You did not mention student loan forgiveness. Taxing the top 1% at a 100% tax rate is not enough to pay for just that program. Now, add in free college and free everything else.

[Koko78]

5 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

500% is a little light for everything. You did not mention student loan forgiveness. Taxing the top 1% at a 100% tax rate is not enough to pay for just that program. Now, add in free college and free everything else.

 

Eh, student loan forgiveness is mere pocket change. The Federal Reserve can just print some more money to cover that.

[KRC]

3 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Eh, student loan forgiveness is mere pocket change. The Federal Reserve can just print some more money to cover that.

 

Or, just take it from the money tree outside of the Capital Building.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...the dam is bursting...………..

 

Rallies to reopen economy spread across country as officials urge caution to prevent coronavirus resurgence

By Tyler Olson | Fox News

 

A growing wave of rallies are taking place across the country as protesters demand that state governments lift their orders closing businesses and public places as soon as possible, even as officials urge caution to prevent a resurgence of coronavirus.

These Americans say they are suffering because of the economic shutdowns nationwide to reduce the spread of the coronavirus and are antsy to resume working and going out in public as usual.

The movement, which started with demonstrations in North Carolina and Michigan, has now spread to New York, Ohio, Virginia and Kentucky with more protests slated for the coming days even as federal and state officials are warning that rolling back virus mitigations efforts too soon will lead to even more coronavirus cases and set back the nation's response to the pandemic.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rallies-to-reopen-economy-spread-across-country-as-officials-urge-caution-to-prevent-coronavirus-resurgence

 

[shoshin]

39 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

I see it starting in either Michigan or Virginia. They seem to be the most asinine about instituting arbitrary policies.

 

As much of a piece of crap Cuomo is, he's not going too far off the deep end (though I have no intention of following his forced mask policy - a thin cloth covering does little-to-nothing to prevent transmission.)

 

 

 

Yes it does and you should wear the mask. 

 

These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by shoshin

[Koko78]

11 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Yes it does and you should wear the mask. 

 

These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months. 

 

A cloth mask/bandana will catch exhaled/expelled water droplets (containing the virus), not the tiny virus itself. Nothing short of a N-95 type mask will prevent airborne transmission.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Yes it does and you should wear the mask. 

 

These rallies are idiotic. The opening needs to be done very carefully but it can be done in a way that works over the course of the next 2-3 months. 

 

...social IRRESPONSIBILITY has been growing exponentially for years......look at the "it's a hoax......Spring Break anyhow....Mardi Gras time regardless....et al" gang; …...it is repulsive to hear how retailers are being ripped off with store thefts...…..reminds me of the dark days in the 60's regarding looting...….so I agree with your assessment regarding rallies, but rest assured a component will surely be the socially responsible....certainly opening needs to be done carefully, but I fear there will be a "mad rush for the doors" similar to the start of Black Friday shopping......sure hope I'm dead wrong...…...

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I think he was going to veto their override... did he? This is the last I read.