Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, RochesterRob said: And where is the money coming from for these new businesses? From under the mattress? The sock drawer? Most businesses depend on the ability to borrow money. Who gets to decide who fails and who takes the place of the fallen? There will be many chit storms over that. It's gonna suck. But I believe we'll get there, just that it will take some time. I know Trump believes it will be a V recovery, I just don't see that happening.
RochesterRob Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Magox said: It's gonna suck. But I believe we'll get there, just that it will take some time. I know Trump believes it will be a V recovery, I just don't see that happening. It's gonna more than just suck. People will be flocking to extremist groups and civil unrest will be far and wide unfortunately.
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: It's gonna more than just suck. People will be flocking to extremist groups and civil unrest will be far and wide unfortunately. I wouldn't be surprised to see some realignments from a socioeconomic standpoint. I could see people moving slightly more towards a libertarianish bent if these social distancing and infringement of civil liberty policies persist. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yes. Nothing is drawn by hand anymore. Everything is designed/modeled/drafted on the computer. CADD has now evolved into 3D believe it or not. We do however work a lot in teams on our larger projects so while it’s been a bit strained it’s certainly been doable. Daily check in video meeting with my design studio every morning. ...same parameters for our Electrical Design Department.....
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yes. Nothing is drawn by hand anymore. Everything is designed/modeled/drafted on the computer. CADD has now evolved into 3D believe it or not. We do however work a lot in teams on our larger projects so while it’s been a bit strained it’s certainly been doable. Daily check in video meeting with my design studio every morning. Wanna buy some townhouse lots? ?
3rdnlng Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 I posted a few days ago that the time to get back to something near normal is when we get to a point where we wouldn't have shut down the economy in the first place. When each state or area becomes prepared enough to handle the influx of new cases then it's back to work we go. We should use precautions such as masks in crowded areas, frequent hand washing and extra precautions for the elderly or those susceptible to infection. The thing to worry the most here is the desire by those people, politicians and leftist looking demagogues that want to use this pandemic to fundamentally change our country. No, we don't need to change the way we vote, free prisoners or outlaw protests because of Covid-19. We need to stay practical and adhere to our constitution and culture. 1
dpberr Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Magox said: I wouldn't be surprised to see some realignments from a socioeconomic standpoint. I could see people moving slightly more towards a libertarianish bent if these social distancing and infringement of civil liberty policies persist. People without money, without purpose and feeling helpless are formidable opponents to a civil society. 3
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He should be hammering this in stark terms during the briefers. He made mention of it yesterday but didn’t put nearly enough oomph into it. it should be something like: Every day Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer hold the PPP hostage is a day where millions of Americans are suffering. This is a popular bill that has already been passed and agreed upon by both parties and now they are holding it hostage. Americans are suffering and all Nancy and Chuck have to do is put it up for a vote and help the engine of our economy. He just needs to hammer this over and over and over until they feel the political wrath of the public. 6
shoshin Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I posted a few days ago that the time to get back to something near normal is when we get to a point where we wouldn't have shut down the economy in the first place. When each state or area becomes prepared enough to handle the influx of new cases then it's back to work we go. We should use precautions such as masks in crowded areas, frequent hand washing and extra precautions for the elderly or those susceptible to infection. That's what Merkel said today. And her reopening was an announcement of extreme caution that they are reopening on a knife's edge. I hope that when we reopen, we heed her caution. We may not bounce back economically once for a long time. Twice is unthinkable. 15 minutes ago, Magox said: He should be hammering this in stark terms during the briefers. He made mention of it yesterday but didn’t put nearly enough oomph into it. it should be something like: Every day Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer hold the PPP hostage is a day where millions of Americans are suffering. This is a popular bill that has already been passed and agreed upon by both parties and now they are holding it hostage. Americans are suffering and all Nancy and Chuck have to do is put it up for a vote and help the engine of our economy. He just needs to hammer this over and over and over until they feel the political wrath of the public. It's wrangling over something. It will pass.
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: It's wrangling over something. It will pass. It will. But that's not the point. It's a true statement to say that every day that they don't replenish the funds is a day where more businesses will permanently shudder. So to have a blase attitude with no urgency is something that should be highlighted. Because there is urgency involved here and businesses are at stake.
shoshin Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Magox said: It will. But that's not the point. It's a true statement to say that every day that they don't replenish the funds is a day where more businesses will permanently shudder. So to have a blase attitude with no urgency is something that should be highlighted. Because there is urgency involved here and businesses are at stake. My company is in line for the PPP money too, and it won't be enough but it will help. But when we are spending 2.3T in a few weeks time, it can take a day or two. The PPP rollout has changed multiple times since it was passed and it's being implemented in wayes the CARES act is not written. On another note, the NYS shutdown to May 15 seems like a dramatic overreaction. I know the IHME model has not been good but it's also been the best thing we have, and it shows that the health crisis will be way behind us on May 1. May 15 is waiting for it to get to near 0. We can't wait that long. Maybe in NYC they will need to but the rest of the country can't. This is the NYC projected healthcare needs. Edited April 16, 2020 by shoshin 1
Magox Posted April 16, 2020 Author Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, shoshin said: My company is in line for the PPP money too, and it won't be enough but it will help. But when we are spending 2.3T in a few weeks time, it can take a day or two. The PPP rollout has changed multiple times since it was passed and it's being implemented in wayes the CARES act is not written. On another note, the NYS shutdown to May 15 seems like a dramatic overreaction. I know the IHME model has not been good but it's also been the best thing we have, and it shows that the health crisis will be way behind us on May 1. May 15 is waiting for it to get to near 0. We can't wait that long. Maybe in NYC they will need to but the rest of the country can't. This is the NYC projected healthcare needs. I am very eager to see how things unfold. I see how the PA. state senate passed something asking for the Democratic Governor to begin lifting the Stay-at-home order and gradually phase in the economy following CDC's eventual guidelines. He is threatening to Veto that. I have a feeling this is going to be a common theme, Democratic Governors extending stay-at-home orders and slow to restart their phase in's of the economy vs the red states. I think this will be the next political battle field similar to what we are seeing in KY, NC and Michigan. I don't know, but my sense is that the governors who are perceived as slow and overly cautious are going to be playing a lot of defense over the next couple months.
shoshin Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Magox said: I don't know, but my sense is that the governors who are perceived as slow and overly cautious are going to be playing a lot of defense over the next couple months. This is exactly right. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I really hope there are specifics but I doubt there will be. Not a knock on the administration. Just that it's too early for them to have that in hand. Edited April 16, 2020 by shoshin
RochesterRob Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 Cuomo extending shutdown until May 15 per Marketwatch earlier today. 1
Koko78 Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, shoshin said: My company is in line for the PPP money too, and it won't be enough but it will help. But when we are spending 2.3T in a few weeks time, it can take a day or two. The PPP rollout has changed multiple times since it was passed and it's being implemented in wayes the CARES act is not written. On another note, the NYS shutdown to May 15 seems like a dramatic overreaction. I know the IHME model has not been good but it's also been the best thing we have, and it shows that the health crisis will be way behind us on May 1. May 15 is waiting for it to get to near 0. We can't wait that long. Maybe in NYC they will need to but the rest of the country can't. This is the NYC projected healthcare needs. I can tell you that as of yesterday, the NY Court shutdown has been extended to May 30 for most matters. 1
3rdnlng Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 56 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I can tell you that as of yesterday, the NY Court shutdown has been extended to May 30 for most matters. I'm not sure I understand why the government entities have to decide today what's going to happen 4-6 weeks from now. One would think that they would follow things closely enough that they could keep extending the shutdown by a week or two if needed. Again, I guess they could be trying to lower expectations.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 16, 2020 Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I'm not sure I understand why the government entities have to decide today what's going to happen 4-6 weeks from now. One would think that they would follow things closely enough that they could keep extending the shutdown by a week or two if needed. Again, I guess they could be trying to lower expectations. ...because you're trying to rationalize with common sense.......flatly refuse to politicize the decision making process re-opening which should be at the states level....what is the priority of politicians at the top state level and down in making re-opening decisions?.....is the fear factor tempered by their re-election being affected or the infection/death toll in their state?....which do you think is their priority?.....is there a "wait and see" position as far as "let's see what our neighboring state(s) do ?......a/k/a "who wants to go first?".....
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