There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[Foxx]

23 minutes ago, Magox said:

I think each state will have to get specific about how they go about this.   Restricting State by state travel I don’t see in the cards, at least now.  They may do some mandatory quarantining from one state to another in certain circumstances but I think that is as far as it will go at least initially.

 

 

 

 

remind anyone of anything in the past?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, Magox said:

That’s what I was saying.  Maybe I didn’t communicate that as well as I could have.  That the mandatory quarantining could be what states do but not actual travel restrictions.  At least not now.

 

 

....got it............but banning Easter church services in a church parking lot while parishioners stay in their cars is ludicrous......how many people cling to faith as their ONLY hope or salvation?....yet preyed upon by the scums like Osteen, Reverend Ike, TD Jacobs, Rev Creflo, et al?......saw a piece on Texas Metal about "Reverend Romero" and his stable of multiple exotic cars.......THAT swamp is DEEP.....nothing like milking the down trodden...

[Chef Jim]

25 minutes ago, Foxx said:

 

 

remind anyone of anything in the past?

So only people in uniform are essential?   Last I looked people at the grocery store typically don’t wear uniforms. 

[GG]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

I misread what you wrote.

 

I was looking at Austria and they have one of the lowest Confirmation infection rates of all of Europe.   So it’s logical to assume that they haven’t developed any sort of herd immunity.

 

Places like Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, New York and other population zones would have considerably higher infection rates.

 

Even in Germany in a small town where their outbreak started there was antibody testing that took place and discovered 15% infection rate.  And Germany has been one of the countries with the lowest infection rates.

 

In regards to opening up, it wouldn’t be a full throttle approach but more of a staggered phasing in based off of geography. 
 

Also another fascinating test case is to see what is happening in Sweden.  They have had a more surgical approach to the social distancing and for weeks now there have been grim predictions regarding what they thought they would go through.  It still hasn’t happened yet.  That could change but they are faring considerably better than most of Europe.

 

 

 

Climate, culture & custom.

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Climate, culture & custom.

It certainly plays a large role.  

[Chef Jim]

32 minutes ago, Foxx said:

 

 

remind anyone of anything in the past?

 

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

 

One major problem with your faulty take.

 

Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere, not only is it in the Southern Hemisphere but it’s way down south.  And not only is it way down south but their population centers are on the southern side.

 

Why do you think this is important?

 

Let me give you a hint, the Southern Hemisphere are not in their flu seasons.  More heat and humidity.  Recorded Infection rates in the Southern Hemisphere are Over 10,000% less than the Northern Hemisphere.
 

You aren’t even comparing apples to oranges but rather apples to turnips 

 

 

 

 

 

The only solution when you take this tone  and look this bad on the internet is seppuku. I wish you an honorable death. 
 

2 hours ago, Magox said:

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In regards to opening up, it wouldn’t be a full throttle approach but more of a staggered phasing in based off of geography. 
 

Also another fascinating test case is to see what is happening in Sweden.  They have had a more surgical approach to the social distancing and for weeks now there have been grim predictions regarding what they thought they would go through.  It still hasn’t happened yet.  That could change but they are faring considerably better than most of Europe.

 

 

Sweden is culturally an anomaly. I will find the number but some incredibly high number of people Live alone there. Plus they have only 3 population centers of note, and a highly educated and compliant with sensible distancing rules population. There will be cultures to emulate coming out of this. Sweden is one to watch. 

 

12 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Climate, culture & custom.

 But I still wonder at India. Sure it’s hot there now as they enter their warm season but they have 1.4 billion people living in each other’s laps. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by shoshin

[ALF]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  I believe the release by China was deliberate and meant to cause harm so no doubt the next virus is at some stage of development in their lab and perhaps ready to be released. 

 

If China wanted to harm the world it would make more sense to release it far from China.

The one theory was someone from the lab there sold test animals to that market.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

 

If China wanted to harm the world it would make more sense to release it far from China.

The one theory was someone from the lab there sold test animals to that market.

I’m not a conspiracy nut and I don’t believe China release this on purpose but if they did I would not doubt they would take out a few of their own to protect their innocence.  Collateral damage. 

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

If China wanted to harm the world it would make more sense to release it far from China.

The one theory was someone from the lab there sold test animals to that market.

  Which they did by releasing into select portions of their population that travel outside of their country among other methods.  Guest workers into Italy and so forth.  Not hard to do for a country that most likely extensively tracks its citizens. 

 

 

 

 

[Foxx]

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

i was thinkin' more along the lines of governments historically manipulating their citizens to turn their neighbors in. this is not conspiracy stuff either, it is generally considered proven fact.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Foxx

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I’m not a conspiracy nut and I don’t believe China release this on purpose but if they did I would not doubt they would take out a few of their own to protect their innocence.  Collateral damage. 

  Believing that a country intentionally released a virus does not automatically make one a conspiracy nut akin to believing reptilians control the US government, Bigfoot has retreated to an underground complex hence no recent sightings, auto manufacturers have fuel injection systems that would give SUV's 1000 miles per gallon fuel efficiency but have an interest in oil companies, etc..  China is a competing world power and most likely has a different set of values when it comes to the preservation of human life than most Western nations that were guided by a couple of millennia of Judeo-Christian values.

[3rdnlng]

23 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Believing that a country intentionally released a virus does not automatically make one a conspiracy nut akin to believing reptilians control the US government, Bigfoot has retreated to an underground complex hence no recent sightings, auto manufacturers have fuel injection systems that would give SUV's 1000 miles per gallon fuel efficiency but have an interest in oil companies, etc..  China is a competing world power and most likely has a different set of values when it comes to the preservation of human life than most Western nations that were guided by a couple of millennia of Judeo-Christian values.

China doesn't need any more people, thus the one baby rule. The CCP is inherently non religious so they have few compunctions about getting rid of people. If they wanted to disrupt the world's economy I doubt that they would have any problems with losing many of their own people in order to reach their goal. Who knows, maybe they think that tanking the U.S. economy might keep Trump from reelection and it would bring in a dufus to deal with them. This might sound far-fetched, but is it really? 

[Magox]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

The only solution when you take this tone  and look this bad on the internet is seppuku. I wish you an honorable death. 
 

Sweden is culturally an anomaly. I will find the number but some incredibly high number of people Live alone there. Plus they have only 3 population centers of note, and a highly educated and compliant with sensible distancing rules population. There will be cultures to emulate coming out of this. Sweden is one to watch. 

 

 But I still wonder at India. Sure it’s hot there now as they enter their warm season but they have 1.4 billion people living in each other’s laps. 

 

It’s not the first time that I misinterpreted things and won’t be the last.  That I promise. 
 

In regards to Sweden, they are somewhat of anomaly but it will be a fascinating case study and it’s still relatively early in the virus process and there could be valuable tidbits to learn from them if indeed they end up managing this well.

[Beast]

I'm in the opinion you just reopen everything at once, not a little at a time.

 

Lets say, for example, New York State opens....but Pennsylvania, Vermont, Ohio, etc., don't. How many cars do you think we will see traveling within our state from those states and others?

 

 

 

 

[123719bwiqrb]

15 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

I'm in the opinion you just reopen everything at once, not a little at a time.

 

Lets say, for example, New York State opens....but Pennsylvania, Vermont, Ohio, etc., don't. How many cars do you think we will see traveling within our state from those states and others?

 

 

 

 

 

If we only had a nation of Karens ready to pounce...

[B-Man]

Rep Crenshaw: ‘It’s Not a Binary Choice’, We Can Fight the Virus and the Economic Downturn at the Same Time

 

 

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[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said:

I'm in the opinion you just reopen everything at once, not a little at a time.

 

Lets say, for example, New York State opens....but Pennsylvania, Vermont, Ohio, etc., don't. How many cars do you think we will see traveling within our state from those states and others?

 

 

 

 

I could see NYC having major restrictions for quite awhile. Most other areas should all be on a similar timeline as you suggest. 

[B-Man]

 

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

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