Boatdrinks Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: May 1st is a long time from now! We shut our office in Southern California three weeks ago. May 1st is another three weeks from now. The country will be in a far better place by then. And in many ways, the country will be in a worse place then. Far worse.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: And in many ways, the country will be in a worse place then. Far worse. By design. 1
4merper4mer Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Crayola64 said: The funniest part about the thread is how many of you don’t actually leave your house to “work” I predicted you'd be a douche bag but this isn't the prescience thread. Do I get half a point? 1
Artful Dodger Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: May 1st is a long time from now! We shut our office in Southern California three weeks ago. May 1st is another three weeks from now. The country will be in a far better place by then. From the Guardian newspaper: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/less-than-1-of-austria-infected-with-coronavirus-new-study-shows "Less than 1% of the Austrian population is “acutely infected” with coronavirus, new research based on testing a representative sample of more than 1,500 people suggests." "The research, if replicated and confirmed elsewhere, would appear to scotch hopes of countries being remotely close to relying on “herd immunity” – where enough of the population is exposed to the virus to build up a combined immunity – as a viable policy option." If the same is true for the United States, it means that if we open up in May, the country will be in about the same place it is now, except that hopefully we'll have more masks and ventilators available for the many people who are going to get sick and need to be hospitalized. Social distancing and shutdowns were never meant to eliminate the virus; they were meant to ensure that we don't all get sick at the same time and overwhelm hospitals. You can bend the curve, but the curve is still there. The price for opening up the economy is that a lot of people are going to die. That's true if we open up in May; it will be true if we open up in July. It will be true until a vaccine is developed. 1
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: The price for opening up the economy is that a lot of people are going to die. That's true if we open up in May; it will be true if we open up in July. It will be true until a vaccine is developed. Yup "Opening up" isn't going to be any one person's or leaders or organizations decision. The NBA basically led the way with shut down and sports leagues might be the measure we follow as a society to reopen. Will Trump start holding his rallies if the NFL is not open for business? Even if more states end social distancing the profession and college teams may balk at returning to play until they feel it's totally safe to gather 80,000 in a stadium.
SoCal Deek Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup "Opening up" isn't going to be any one person's or leaders or organizations decision. The NBA basically led the way with shut down and sports leagues might be the measure we follow as a society to reopen. Will Trump start holding his rallies if the NFL is not open for business? Even if more states end social distancing the profession and college teams may balk at returning to play until they feel it's totally safe to gather 80,000 in a stadium. Wrong as usual Tibs. Your take on things is often totally backwards. This is a free society. At least it’s supposed to be. The President (one person) can/will make the decision to remove the restrictions on gathering...without people risking fine or penalty. Then it will be up to the people to decide if they actually do. Its called freedom! 1
RochesterRob Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 36 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yup "Opening up" isn't going to be any one person's or leaders or organizations decision. The NBA basically led the way with shut down and sports leagues might be the measure we follow as a society to reopen. Will Trump start holding his rallies if the NFL is not open for business? Even if more states end social distancing the profession and college teams may balk at returning to play until they feel it's totally safe to gather 80,000 in a stadium. Very interesting that you pop your head out of the hole on this day of all days. I've long suspected that you are pretty much a modern day Pontius Pilate wannabe. You are no more concerned about the sanctity of this nation than Pilate was the Jewish religion. Just as Pilate was acting to keep a movement from tearing the Roman Empire apart you are acting to sway opinion away from what may be helpful for this country in favor of a new world order. Then Rome. Today NWO.
Magox Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Artful Dodger said: From the Guardian newspaper: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/less-than-1-of-austria-infected-with-coronavirus-new-study-shows "Less than 1% of the Austrian population is “acutely infected” with coronavirus, new research based on testing a representative sample of more than 1,500 people suggests." "The research, if replicated and confirmed elsewhere, would appear to scotch hopes of countries being remotely close to relying on “herd immunity” – where enough of the population is exposed to the virus to build up a combined immunity – as a viable policy option." If the same is true for the United States, it means that if we open up in May, the country will be in about the same place it is now, except that hopefully we'll have more masks and ventilators available for the many people who are going to get sick and need to be hospitalized. Social distancing and shutdowns were never meant to eliminate the virus; they were meant to ensure that we don't all get sick at the same time and overwhelm hospitals. You can bend the curve, but the curve is still there. The price for opening up the economy is that a lot of people are going to die. That's true if we open up in May; it will be true if we open up in July. It will be true until a vaccine is developed. One major problem with your faulty take. Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere, not only is it in the Southern Hemisphere but it’s way down south. And not only is it way down south but their population centers are on the southern side. Why do you think this is important? Let me give you a hint, the Southern Hemisphere are not in their flu seasons. More heat and humidity. Recorded Infection rates in the Southern Hemisphere are Over 10,000% less than the Northern Hemisphere. You aren’t even comparing apples to oranges but rather apples to turnips
Artful Dodger Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: One major problem with your faulty take. Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere, not only is it in the Southern Hemisphere but it’s way down south. And not only is it way down south but their population centers are on the southern side. Why do you think this is important? Let me give you a hint, the Southern Hemisphere are not in their flu seasons. More heat and humidity. Recorded Infection rates in the Southern Hemisphere are Over 10,000% less than the Northern Hemisphere. You aren’t even comparing apples to oranges but rather apples to turnips Last time I looked, Austria was in Europe.
SoCal Deek Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: Last time I looked, Austria was in Europe. Now THIS is funny!
Chef Jim Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: Last time I looked, Austria was in Europe. Whoops.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: Last time I looked, Austria was in Europe. ...I have a call into Joe Biden to verify.....you may be wrong...he NEVER is...............
Magox Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: Last time I looked, Austria was in Europe. I misread what you wrote. I was looking at Austria and they have one of the lowest Confirmation infection rates of all of Europe. So it’s logical to assume that they haven’t developed any sort of herd immunity. Places like Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, New York and other population zones would have considerably higher infection rates. Even in Germany in a small town where their outbreak started there was antibody testing that took place and discovered 15% infection rate. And Germany has been one of the countries with the lowest infection rates. In regards to opening up, it wouldn’t be a full throttle approach but more of a staggered phasing in based off of geography. Also another fascinating test case is to see what is happening in Sweden. They have had a more surgical approach to the social distancing and for weeks now there have been grim predictions regarding what they thought they would go through. It still hasn’t happened yet. That could change but they are faring considerably better than most of Europe.
Artful Dodger Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: In regards to opening up, it wouldn’t be a full throttle approach but more of a staggered phasing in based off of geography. Also another fascinating test case is to see what is happening in Sweden. They have had a more surgical approach to the social distancing and for weeks now there have been grim predictions regarding what they thought they would go through. It still hasn’t happened yet. That could change but they are faring considerably better than most of Europe. I actually agree with you. If people are going to die anyway, we might has well have a working economy. We can't all sit around for an entire next year waiting for a vaccine to be developed. So once we've got enough masks and ventilators and hospital beds, then people should gradually get back to work and practice social distancing as much as possible, recognizing that some people are going to get sick and some will die. But once you've had the virus and survived, you've got immunity, and then you can resume living a normal life. I just don't understand why so many people celebrate a plateauing in the number of cases as some kind of major victory. If you can't leave your home, it's not much of a victory. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, Magox said: I misread what you wrote. I was looking at Austria and they have one of the lowest Confirmation infection rates of all of Europe. So it’s logical to assume that they haven’t developed any sort of herd immunity. Places like Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, New York and other population zones would have considerably higher infection rates. Even in Germany in a small town where their outbreak started there was antibody testing that took place and discovered 15% infection rate. And Germany has been one of the countries with the lowest infection rates. In regards to opening up, it wouldn’t be a full throttle approach but more of a staggered phasing in based off of geography. Also another fascinating test case is to see what is happening in Sweden. They have had a more surgical approach to the social distancing and for weeks now there have been grim predictions regarding what they thought they would go through. It still hasn’t happened yet. That could change but they are faring considerably better than most of Europe. ...certainly understand what you are saying, but FWIW I see more complexity to an individual state's decision, especially if you consider Interstate commerce......does a state SOLEY reopen within the confines of its own borders?.....OR....do they review the situations of neighboring states and allow/disallow those who may not qualify?.....we are a Rochester NY based contractor with operations in PA and NJ.....we are an essential business under NYS guidelines, continuing to operate , but had to shut down PA and NJ operations because there are no such exclusion declarations.....thus we are at the mercy of decisions on a state by state basis......
Foxx Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said: I actually agree with you. If people are going to die anyway, we might has well have a working economy. We can't all sit around for an entire next year waiting for a vaccine to be developed. So once we've got enough masks and ventilators and hospital beds, then people should gradually get back to work and practice social distancing as much as possible, recognizing that some people are going to get sick and some will die. But once you've had the virus and survived, you've got immunity, and then you can resume living a normal life. I just don't understand why so many people celebrate a plateauing in the number of cases as some kind of major victory. If you can't leave your home, it's not much of a victory. until it mutates enough to make the vaccine impotent.. 1
RochesterRob Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Foxx said: until it mutates enough to make the vaccine impotent.. I believe the release by China was deliberate and meant to cause harm so no doubt the next virus is at some stage of development in their lab and perhaps ready to be released.
Magox Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...certainly understand what you are saying, but FWIW I see more complexity to an individual state's decision, especially if you consider Interstate commerce......does a state SOLEY reopen within the confines of its own borders?.....OR....do they review the situations of neighboring states and allow/disallow those who may not qualify?.....we are a Rochester NY based contractor with operations in PA and NJ.....we are an essential business under NYS guidelines, continuing to operate , but had to shut down PA and NJ operations because there are no such exclusion declarations.....thus we are at the mercy of decisions on a state by state basis...... I think each state will have to get specific about how they go about this. Restricting State by state travel I don’t see in the cards, at least now. They may do some mandatory quarantining from one state to another in certain circumstances but I think that is as far as it will go at least initially.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: I think each state will have to get specific about how they go about this. Restricting State by state travel I don’t see in the cards, at least now. They may do some mandatory quarantining from one state to another in certain circumstances but I think that is as far as it will go at least initially. ...have to respectfully disagree...many states already have incoming travel bans/mandatory 14 day quarantine restrictions for folks from NY or NJ as examples......as states slowly reopen, I just do not see those restrictions being lifted anytime soon............
Magox Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...have to respectfully disagree...many states already have incoming travel bans/mandatory 14 day quarantine restrictions for folks from NY or NJ as examples......as states slowly reopen, I just do not see those restrictions being lifted anytime soon............ That’s what I was saying. Maybe I didn’t communicate that as well as I could have. That the mandatory quarantining could be what states do but not actual travel restrictions. At least not now.
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