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On 5/13/2020 at 9:41 AM, Buffalo_Gal said:

So in Oregon where the Governor wants to keep the state in perpetual lockdown a lawsuit was filed last week by some churches (for the rule against 25+ people meeting). Here is the interesting part:

Churches, individuals file suit in Baker County Circuit Court against Gov. Kate Brown seeking injunction to block coronavirus executive orders

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In the lawsuit he cites the section of the Constitution — Article X-A — that authorizes the governor to declare a state of emergency due to a public health crisis.
 

Hacke said the plaintiffs don’t dispute that Brown has such authority due to the pandemic. The governor declared the state of emergency on March 8.
 

But Hacke points to a section in Article X-A which states that the governor’s emergency powers can extend for no more than 30 days unless the Legislature, on at least a three-fifths vote of both the House and the Senate, agrees to extend the governor’s emergency powers.
 

Brown has not convened the Legislature since declaring the emergency.
 

“Because governor failed to avail herself of the constitutionally prescribed procedure, her initial executive order declaring the public health emergency, issued on March 8, 2020, terminated by operation of law on April 7, 2020, and all subsequent executive orders implementing or extending the original order are legally null and void,” the lawsuit states.
 

“She’s giving herself powers to infringe on constitutional liberties in perpetuity,” Hacke said. “And she can’t do that.”

He also contends that because Brown’s initial executive order was for 60 days, rather than the 30 days specified in the Constitution, it was unconstitutional from its inception.


Oregon voters added Article X-A to the state Constitution in 2012 when they passed Measure 77 in the November election. Almost 59% of voters approved the measure. Prior to that, the governor had statutory authority to declare emergencies, but not constitutional authority.

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Judge tosses out Gov. Kate Brown's coronavirus restrictions in Oregon
 

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — A judge in rural Oregon on Monday tossed out statewide coronavirus restrictions imposed by Democratic Gov. Kate Brown, saying she didn’t seek the Legislature's approval to extend the stay-at-home orders beyond a 28-day limit.
 

Baker County Circuit Judge Matthew Shirtcliff issued his opinion in response to a lawsuit filed earlier this month by 10 churches around Oregon that argued the state's social-distancing directives were unconstitutional.
 

Brown said she would immediately seek an emergency review by the Oregon Supreme Court. Her attorneys asked the judge to stay his ruling until the high court could review the case, but he declined.
 

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There needs to be a national dialogue about this. Unfortunately with the way Trump oafishly says things and the way the media likes to cover the minutia of his words as opposed to the substance of it,

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Everyone's looking to the south and east for the first flare up -- but people should watch LA. 55% of the population is now unemployed (because: Hollywood is more than actors). The divide between the

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IRISH DEMOCRACY: 

Lockdown Is Ending, Whether Governments Approve or Not: Executive orders may have encouraged the lockdowns, but they always depended on voluntary behavior. 

 

“The data also show something about the nature of the shutdowns. They might have been encouraged by executive orders, but they were always ultimately driven by voluntary behavior. Well before states started issuing stay-at-home orders in the final week of March, many Americans were voluntarily self-quarantining. Since officials had only limited influence over the beginning of the lockdown, they were always going to have limited influence over its ending.

 

This was always unsustainable over the long term, and coronavirus policies need to be reconsidered in light of that. On the other hand, declaring states to be ‘open’ will be meaningless unless residents feel it is safe to venture out again.”

 
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Judge tosses out Gov. Kate Brown's coronavirus restrictions in Oregon
 

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — A judge in rural Oregon on Monday tossed out statewide coronavirus restrictions imposed by Democratic Gov. Kate Brown, saying she didn’t seek the Legislature's approval to extend the stay-at-home orders beyond a 28-day limit.
 

Baker County Circuit Judge Matthew Shirtcliff issued his opinion in response to a lawsuit filed earlier this month by 10 churches around Oregon that argued the state's social-distancing directives were unconstitutional.
 

Brown said she would immediately seek an emergency review by the Oregon Supreme Court. Her attorneys asked the judge to stay his ruling until the high court could review the case, but he declined.
 

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Oregon Supreme Court puts hold on Baker County judge’s ruling declaring governor’s coronavirus orders ‘null and void’
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/05/judge-finds-oregon-governors-coronavirus-restrictions-on-religious-gatherings-null-and-void-governor-to-seek-state-supreme-court-review.html

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Here in Florida we are mostly open and it is recommended you take easy precautions- mask, distance, sanitize- but still you have 3000 people in DeLand having a memorial for someone dead 12 years. If I have to explain to you that going to that party is a bad idea I can not help you. Please do not take away my rights because these folks are so stupid. 

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Oregon Supreme Court puts hold on Baker County judge’s ruling declaring governor’s coronavirus orders ‘null and void’
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/05/judge-finds-oregon-governors-coronavirus-restrictions-on-religious-gatherings-null-and-void-governor-to-seek-state-supreme-court-review.html


I was reading and there are 7 judges that are supposed to be elected (6 year terms), however the last 5 were all appointed by the Governor (mid term), and all 7 are Ds. The poor people of Oregon will be under lock down forever.

The terms of three Oregon Supreme Court justices will expire on January 3, 2021. The three seats are up for nonpartisan election on November 3, 2020. A primary is scheduled for May 19, 2020.

Thomas Balmer vs Van Pounds (all these are supposed to be  non partisan)
Chris Garrett (no opposition)
Martha Walters (no opposition)


 

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I was reading and there are 7 judges that are supposed to be elected (6 year terms), however the last 5 were all appointed by the Governor (mid term), and all 7 are Ds. The poor people of Oregon will be under lock down forever.

The terms of three Oregon Supreme Court justices will expire on January 3, 2021. The three seats are up for nonpartisan election on November 3, 2020. A primary is scheduled for May 19, 2020.

Thomas Balmer vs Van Pounds (all these are supposed to be  non partisan)
Chris Garrett (no opposition)
Martha Walters (no opposition)

Yes, unfortunately we are in a democratic lock down for the foreseeable future.

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...uh oh....sounds like Steve is derailing the "gravy train"....even though the CARES Act $600 unemployment stipend expires July 31, 2020, refuse work and you're ineligible.....how would the restaurant industry EVER begin to recover if servers are "guaranteed" $600, essentially tips?..what if your restaurant can only open at 33% or 50% capacity?....gamble or take the $600 guarantee?......hmmm..."gozinta time".......

 

Mnuchin says employees who reject offer to return to work are ineligible for unemployment benefits

 

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin warned on Tuesday that individuals who reject an offer from their company to return to work after being laid off due to coronavirus are no longer considered eligible to receive federal unemployment benefits.

 

Mnuchin said that companies receiving benefits under the Payroll Protection Program who are inviting employees who had been laid off or furloughed due to the coronavirus crisis to return to work should plan to notify state unemployment offices of their offers.

 

If the employee, in turn, turns down the job, they would then be considered ineligible to receive expanded unemployment benefits.

 

“If you offer a person a job..and that person does not take the job..then that person would not be allowed to get unemployment,” Mnuchin said Tuesday.

 

Mnuchin’s comments come as Republican lawmakers have ramped up warnings that the recent boost in jobless benefits amid COVID-19 will “push unemployment higher,” as many individuals are able to collect more money through the unemployment programs than they made while on the job.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mnuchin-says-employees-who-reject-offer-to-return-to-work-are-ineligible-for-unemployment-benefits

 

"The Wall Street Journal reported last month that about half of U.S. workers can earn more with these jobless benefits than they did while working -- a factor that could hurt efforts by some businesses to reopen."

 

 
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