longtimebillsfan Posted March 23, 2020 Author Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: If Josh is bottom 5 in most passing categories again do you stand pat at QB? That is a tough question. I hate to give up on him. For me it depends on if he has showing improvement on other areas of his game. IE: decision making, long through accuracy, and eliminating the panic plays where is turns the ball over when trying to do too much.
GoBills808 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said: Some people are still questioning whether josh is our qb of the future. They think that this year is the make it or break it season. Some people think cucumbers taste better pickled 2 1
eball Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Oh my freaking god. What has happened to this place? Somebody start a thread about whether a 1st rounder was worth it for Diggs....please! 2 2
Teddy KGB Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Some people are still questioning whether josh is our qb of the future. They think that this year is the make it or break it season. He’s already made it. 2nd year Qb who made the playoffs. Let down by Brown, Duke, and Knox in wc game Edited March 23, 2020 by Teddy KGB 6 1 1
Cripple Creek Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: I am a Josh Allen fan. I believe that he has the physical gifts to be a generational quarterback. I also am aware of his weaknesses. Now that Josh has one of the best trio starting wide receivers in the league, what does he have to do to show that he is the Bills franchise quarterback? process faster not lose his mechanics when they're needed most know the routes and throw to spots, stop relying on your arm to get it there throw the receivers open stop fumbling Edited March 24, 2020 by Cripple Creek 7 1
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: You mean once I think for like 3 seconds about how he wouldn't have been 'bottom 5 in most passing categories' if his receivers had dropped his passes at just an average NFL rate? Yeah pretty easy Would be nice if this sentiment was actually based on reality. 1
Cripple Creek Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Some people are still questioning whether josh is our qb of the future. They think that this year is the make it or break it season. It most definitely is. If it were your money would you be ready to pony up 35-40m/season based on what you've seen to this point? 1
longtimebillsfan Posted March 23, 2020 Author Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: You mean once I think for like 3 seconds about how he wouldn't have been 'bottom 5 in most passing categories' if his receivers had dropped his passes at just an average NFL rate? Yeah pretty easy Do you think that some of the drops are due to the velocity of his passes? Maybe he needs to develop a softer touch on short to medium route in certain situations. 1 1
Mango Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: That we shouldn't draft a new QB next year to avoid paying him $30+ mil a year. 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: lmao @ the idea of drafting a new QB next year there are maybe 10 people who think that'd be a good idea and they're all on this messageboard I don't get the problem here. It is how I play Madden. Draft a guy every few years. Flip Flop them on the depth chart here and there as starters. Keeps their stats down, but they still get better, it keeps their cost pretty low when I re-sign them as early as possible. After resigning I put up some huge numbers and trade them away for a haul of picks. Then, rinse and repeat! Are you saying this won't work in the NFL? 1
Hampton Josh fan Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Josh must show improved deep ball completion ability . He must run a more efficient offense with better weapons and give Dabol the confidence to open it up in the 2nd half of games. I'm confident that he will benefit from the 2nd year O-line improved cohesion and the receiver quality. The guy will lead us to the playoffs, but he's got to win a game in postseason. 1
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said: That is a tough question. I hate to give up on him. For me it depends on if he has showing improvement on other areas of his game. IE: decision making, long through accuracy, and eliminating the panic plays where is turns the ball over when trying to do too much. We have a year to figure it out which is good. I think he needs to improve a lot. At his current level, I don't think he warrants the $30 mil/year he'll likely ask for. Recent history has shown that paying non elite QBs has major effects on that team's ability to win football games after the new contract kicks in. 1 1
longtimebillsfan Posted March 23, 2020 Author Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Cripple Creek said: It most definitely is. If it were your money would you be ready to pony up 35-40m/season based on what you've seen to this point? If I had Pegula's money, maybe. I am not objective. I really want Allen to succeed.
Cripple Creek Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, longtimebillsfan said: If I had Pegula's money, maybe. I am not objective. I really want Allen to succeed. So do we all!!! Really is a big year for him.
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Mango said: I don't get the problem here. It is how I play Madden. Draft a guy every few years. Flip Flop them on the depth chart here and there as starters. Keeps their stats down, but they still get better, it keeps their cost pretty low when I re-sign them as early as possible. After resigning I put up some huge numbers and trade them away for a haul of picks. Then, rinse and repeat! Are you saying this won't work in the NFL? I think QB could become e the new RB of the NFL. Draft a guy, keep him on his rookie deal and then trade him for picks and draft another one. Recent history shows it's very risky to pay guys who aren't truly elite. 2
longtimebillsfan Posted March 23, 2020 Author Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: We have a year to figure it out which is good. I think he needs to improve a lot. At his current level, I don't think he warrants the $30 mil/year he'll likely ask for. Recent history has shown that paying non elite QBs has major effects on that team's ability to win football games after the new contract kicks in. That is true. That is what makes this such a stressful season in 2020. Do we have a 5th year option with Allen?
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, longtimebillsfan said: That is true. That is what makes this such a stressful season in 2020. Do we have a 5th year option with Allen? We have to decide by this time next year.
longtimebillsfan Posted March 23, 2020 Author Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I think QB could become e the new RB of the NFL. Draft a guy, keep him on his rookie deal and then trade him for picks and draft another one. Recent history shows it's very risky to pay guys who aren't truly elite. That is a good point. The only thing is it is much more difficult to find a quality quarterback than it is a quality running back. 1
stinky finger Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I think QB could become e the new RB of the NFL. Draft a guy, keep him on his rookie deal and then trade him for picks and draft another one. Recent history shows it's very risky to pay guys who aren't truly elite. Soooo - if this is your new model, why would a team trade for the QB you're kicking to the curb?
whorlnut Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: The offense has to get out of the teens when it comes to points per game. But importantly Allen just needs to start making it happen when it needs to happen. But that is just the standard all top QBs are held to. So it’s a fair ask. Make what happen? Bring his team back to win games? You realize that he already does that as well as anyone in the league right?
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, longtimebillsfan said: That is a good point. The only thing is it is much more difficult to find a quality quarterback than it is a quality running back. It's very hard to find an elite QB. Recently it hasn't been particularly difficult to find a base level starter. I don't see much difference between the 11th best guy and the 25th best guy in the NFL. I think at that point it mostly boils down to the supporting cast around them. If we invest heavily in our supporting cast, I think it's reasonable to expect another first round QB to be able to come in here and have some sort of success. If we invest big dollars in a QB who can't carry a team once other positions have been stripped down due to that contract, I think you can get into trouble long term. Just my two cents. 4
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