Rumor:Miami Dolphins reportedly will give 3 first round picks to the Bengals in exchange for their 1st overall pick for Burrow.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I think Burrow can come in and be a slight upgrade on Andy Dalton basically day 1. That is a pretty high floor. The question is where is the ceiling. Is it Carson Palmer? Or is it Aaron Rodgers? Or is it somewhere between. I have him below 3 guys since I have been grading - Watson, Darnold and Rosen. 

Burrow has a lot of that Watson magic to me. That rise up in big game ”it.” That’s the hardest thing to quantify but that guy will be one of the best leaders in the NFL the second his name is called. He’s also a the son of a coach. He grew up around the game. Burrow plays the game with a certain toughness and intelligence. He competes like Tiger Woods competes and that’s a massive compliment. Burrow is accurate, athletic, big enough arm and tough as nails. 
 

Watching him up close this year was a pleasure (and I’m not an LSU fan). He put an entire state on his back. If Joe Burrow ran for governor tomorrow he would win. I’m serious too. I honestly believe he would win (unless Coach O ran against him). He went from an outsider that transferred in to a guy that will have a statue in front of Tiger Stadium. Burrow’s floor is really high and his ceiling is plenty high. You can’t go wrong taking him IMO. 
 

Lastly, his name is “Burrow” not “Burrows.” There are a lot of people on here calling him by the wrong name. Not trying to be that guy but it’s a huge pet peeve when we have a strong opinion on someone and don’t even know their name. 

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I think Burrow can come in and be a slight upgrade on Andy Dalton basically day 1. That is a pretty high floor. The question is where is the ceiling. Is it Carson Palmer? Or is it Aaron Rodgers? Or is it somewhere between. I have him below 3 guys since I have been grading - Watson, Darnold and Rosen. 

From a pro standpoint and not from a college grading standpoint what is the issue with Rosen that makes the teams he has played for quickly make the determination that he isn't the answer? Is there any reasonable prospect that eventually he is going to play for a team where his assets are magnified and his liabilities are minimized? He was a player I thought had the attributes that would transfer from the college to the pro game. So far I, like many others, have been clearly off the mark. 

 

I have a belief that if you invest a high pick for a qb that you need to make it a priority to assemble a credible OL that gives the young and jittery player a chance to succeed. The McBean tandem wisely seem to realize that requirement. It makes no sense to use a high capital expenditure on a linchpin player only to have that player pummeled to submission. 

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Burrow has a lot of that Watson magic to me. That rise up in big game ”it.” That’s the hardest thing to quantify but that guy will be one of the best leaders in the NFL the second his name is called. He’s also a the son of a coach. He grew up around the game. Burrow plays the game with a certain toughness and intelligence. He competes like Tiger Woods competes and that’s a massive compliment. Burrow is accurate, athletic, big enough arm and tough as nails. 
 

Watching him up close this year was a pleasure (and I’m not an LSU fan). He put an entire state on his back. If Joe Burrow ran for governor tomorrow he would win. I’m serious too. I honestly believe he would win (unless Coach O ran against him). He went from an outsider that transferred in to a guy that will have a statue in front of Tiger Stadium. Burrow’s floor is really high and his ceiling is plenty high. You can’t go wrong taking him IMO. 
 

Lastly, his name is “Burrow” not “Burrows.” There are a lot of people on here calling him by the wrong name. Not trying to be that guy but it’s a huge pet peeve when we have a strong opinion on someone and don’t even know their name. 

What transformed Burrow from being a pedestrian qb in his first year to being a scintillating qb in his second year? I realize LSU brought in a more enlightened offensive coach but there has to be more to his incredible transformation? Even with a pro roster to guide on offense he still was the dominant player driving that unit. That in itself was a testament to his play.

[aristocrat]

if the bengals were to do this they have to take tua right?  try to trade dalton for something. go with tua and all those picks to go with the already stacked offensive weapons could be a good plan. but if burrow is generational and tua is just average to good you gotta take burrow.  it's not like they dont have all their other picks to help get talent/

[billsfan89]

I would seriously consider this trade if I am the Bengals. I would do it in a heartbeat if it included the Fins 2021 first round pick in addition to picks 5, 18, and 26, I would strongly consider it if Miami included Miami's 2nd in 2021 plus a third rounder in 2020.  I think Joe B is a good prospect but not exactly a generational QB. The Bengals are outright bad and having 3 first round picks along with additional assets is the type of move the would allow them to full facilitate a rebuild in a way that is much more balanced. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

29 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I hope he is 2nd coming of Marino.  Bills always got the best of him and his fakes were terrible resulting in RBs getting worn down.

Not true, Marino actually owned Buffalo till Jim came into town. That’s when everything changed

[T master]

The Fins are loaded with draft picks & if they feel that Burrow is the guy to change their future go for it ! If they are foolish enough to give up that many picks it would show you that they are all in but in & Cinci would be foolish to not take a deal like that !!

 

But i can see them getting another good prospect at QB where they have a pick at to give up that many 1st rounders wow IMHO that would be crazy !! 

[Kirby Jackson]

23 minutes ago, JohnC said:

What transformed Burrow from being a pedestrian qb in his first year to being a scintillating qb in his second year? I realize LSU brought in a more enlightened offensive coach but there has to be more to his incredible transformation? Even with a pro roster to guide on offense he still was the dominant player driving that unit. That in itself was a testament to his play.

A few things, first off they brought in Joe Brady. LSU, ran Sean Payton’s offense last year as opposed to that antiquated nonsense that they’ve run forever. You’d think with their skill players they would have done that sooner!! 
 

A lot of people attribute it to this though:

https://youtu.be/xigyfoGtCbI

 

After that hit he took off!! 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Doc]

36 minutes ago, JohnC said:

From a pro standpoint and not from a college grading standpoint what is the issue with Rosen that makes the teams he has played for quickly make the determination that he isn't the answer? Is there any reasonable prospect that eventually he is going to play for a team where his assets are magnified and his liabilities are minimized? He was a player I thought had the attributes that would transfer from the college to the pro game. So far I, like many others, have been clearly off the mark. 

 

I have a belief that if you invest a high pick for a qb that you need to make it a priority to assemble a credible OL that gives the young and jittery player a chance to succeed. The McBean tandem wisely seem to realize that requirement. It makes no sense to use a high capital expenditure on a linchpin player only to have that player pummeled to submission. 

 

Miami traded their LT Tunsil and he made the Pro Bowl.  So they were doubly-foolish. 

 

26 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

if the bengals were to do this they have to take tua right?  try to trade dalton for something. go with tua and all those picks to go with the already stacked offensive weapons could be a good plan. but if burrow is generational and tua is just average to good you gotta take burrow.  it's not like they dont have all their other picks to help get talent/

 

The only problem is that they'd be moving-down to #5.  A team could jump from 2-4 and take him.  So they'd have to wait until the Dols picked at 5 and then make the trade, like the Chargers and Giants did.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Doc

[DCOrange]

30 minutes ago, JohnC said:

What transformed Burrow from being a pedestrian qb in his first year to being a scintillating qb in his second year? I realize LSU brought in a more enlightened offensive coach but there has to be more to his incredible transformation? Even with a pro roster to guide on offense he still was the dominant player driving that unit. That in itself was a testament to his play.

 

The scheme made a huge difference for him. They literally went from using spread formations the least to using it the most over the past two years. Burrow has always been good making reads, but the old OC insisted on narrowing the field and making that skill essentially worthless. Then Brady came in, spread the field out, and let Burrow use that skill to pick defenses apart with ease.

 

In terms of his individual development, his pocket presence improved a lot this year; he's still vulnerable to blindside pressure, but he's as good as I've ever seen from a college QB in terms of making the inside rush or rusher to his right miss while staying within the pocket. It's Tom Brady-esq magic. He also cleaned up his footwork a ton. His dropbacks still aren't super smooth, but he's improved a ton in terms of his lower body and upper body being in sync on his throws. Watching his film from previous years, it was one of those things where you could tell he had a natural feel for how much to put on his throws to place them where he wanted, but his lower body sometimes betrayed him. That wasn't really an issue at all this season, and it resulted in him establishing himself as probably the most accurate college passer of all-time.

[GunnerBill]

40 minutes ago, JohnC said:

From a pro standpoint and not from a college grading standpoint what is the issue with Rosen that makes the teams he has played for quickly make the determination that he isn't the answer? Is there any reasonable prospect that eventually he is going to play for a team where his assets are magnified and his liabilities are minimized? He was a player I thought had the attributes that would transfer from the college to the pro game. So far I, like many others, have been clearly off the mark. 

 

I have a belief that if you invest a high pick for a qb that you need to make it a priority to assemble a credible OL that gives the young and jittery player a chance to succeed. The McBean tandem wisely seem to realize that requirement. It makes no sense to use a high capital expenditure on a linchpin player only to have that player pummeled to submission. 

 

He got put in two awful situations and in Arizona I don't think he did a lot wrong. Slightly different in Miami where I think he did seem to give off some of the "***** it" attitude people were worried about. The only way to save his career now is go somewhere as a backup to a really established guy. I actually think the Rams make sense. No established backup on that roster as it stands, let him go back home to LA, it is an offense where the starter is very much an old school drop back pocket passer. Go there, sit behind Goff, only play if he gets hurt but get a chance to rebuild confidence. 

[K-9]

55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Burrow has a lot of that Watson magic to me. That rise up in big game ”it.” That’s the hardest thing to quantify but that guy will be one of the best leaders in the NFL the second his name is called. He’s also a the son of a coach. He grew up around the game. Burrow plays the game with a certain toughness and intelligence. He competes like Tiger Woods competes and that’s a massive compliment. Burrow is accurate, athletic, big enough arm and tough as nails. 
 

Watching him up close this year was a pleasure (and I’m not an LSU fan). He put an entire state on his back. If Joe Burrow ran for governor tomorrow he would win. I’m serious too. I honestly believe he would win (unless Coach O ran against him). He went from an outsider that transferred in to a guy that will have a statue in front of Tiger Stadium. Burrow’s floor is really high and his ceiling is plenty high. You can’t go wrong taking him IMO. 
 

Lastly, his name is “Burrow” not “Burrows.” There are a lot of people on here calling him by the wrong name. Not trying to be that guy but it’s a huge pet peeve when we have a strong opinion on someone and don’t even know their name. 

Well said. Burrow is a gamer. Perhaps the most important trait a QB can possess as it’s highly infectious. 

[Dopey]

14 hours ago, Billl said:

People can’t even spell Mahomes correctly yet.  Give them a few years to figure out Burrow.

You mean Myhomie?

[mannc]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

if the bengals were to do this they have to take tua right?  try to trade dalton for something. go with tua and all those picks to go with the already stacked offensive weapons could be a good plan. but if burrow is generational and tua is just average to good you gotta take burrow.  it's not like they dont have all their other picks to help get talent/

Not necessarily, because Tua might not be there at 5 and I doubt they make that trade with Miami and then trade up from 5.  If they make that trade, they probably would take Herbert at 5 or perhaps they're fine with taking whichever one is available there. 

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Not true, Marino actually owned Buffalo till Jim came into town. That’s when everything changed

I guess I was lucky for I watched football when I lived at home in Blasdell.  I then went to college where there was no tv except dorm lounges (and no tv in house when I moved off campus) until I move to Northern Virginia for 1st professional job.  I did however watch Dan Marino's first game vs Buffalo at college for I was not working that Sunday as substitute in bar I worked sometimes and it was on TV (Marino and Miami lost that game 38–35 in overtime).  In 1986 I found out there was a bar Greevy's which showed Bills games and went to it on Sundays. 

[JohnC]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

The scheme made a huge difference for him. They literally went from using spread formations the least to using it the most over the past two years. Burrow has always been good making reads, but the old OC insisted on narrowing the field and making that skill essentially worthless. Then Brady came in, spread the field out, and let Burrow use that skill to pick defenses apart with ease.

 

In terms of his individual development, his pocket presence improved a lot this year; he's still vulnerable to blindside pressure, but he's as good as I've ever seen from a college QB in terms of making the inside rush or rusher to his right miss while staying within the pocket. It's Tom Brady-esq magic. He also cleaned up his footwork a ton. His dropbacks still aren't super smooth, but he's improved a ton in terms of his lower body and upper body being in sync on his throws. Watching his film from previous years, it was one of those things where you could tell he had a natural feel for how much to put on his throws to place them where he wanted, but his lower body sometimes betrayed him. That wasn't really an issue at all this season, and it resulted in him establishing himself as probably the most accurate college passer of all-time.

Fantastic analysis. You and Gunner ought to partner and put out a shingle as scouting consultants. Of course if you both combine your talents and create your tandem business I would expect a finder's fee. 

[Buffalo716]

20 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

This we a rumor awhile ago. If anyone would give up the rights to the best QB prospect since Luck it would be Mike Brown.

He is nothing like an Andrew Luck prospect tho. 

 

It took 5 years for the lights to turn on. Andrew Luck had 3-1 TD INT ratio as a Freshman

 

Burrow has average arm strength and couldn't even win the Job at Ohio State.. he also was the oldest guy on the field. He should look impressive. He did nothing as an underclassmen

 

He is far from a sure thing

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He is nothing like an Andrew Luck prospect tho. 

 

It took 5 years for the lights to turn on. Andrew Luck had one of the best Freshman seasons of all time

 

Burrow has average arm strength and couldn't even win the Job at Ohio State.. he also was the oldest guy on the field. He should look impressive. He did nothing as an underclassmen

 

He is far from a sure thing

 

 

He's a day one starter and its not even close imo.  Had more passing yards than Wash st. qb on 180 fewer attempts.  Isn't a 1 trick pony who relies on his guys for YAC, if anything his ball placement and ability to buy time created more YAC for them.  Athletic enough to be a threat with his legs.  I was always impressed with those touch passes on crossers, and to running backs.. set his guys up for big gains.  His deep ball always seemed really solid too, great touch.  

 

Oh and there's the big game feel - I know stats aren't like... everything related to QB and draft grades... But in the 3 biggest games of the year he averaged... 70% comp, 435 yards (on 42 attempts), and 6 TDs (16 through the air and 2 on the ground).  Really impressive.

 

I don't think I'd trade the pick.  I think you can build something with him - assuming he's going to show up and play for you.  

Edited March 23, 2020 by dneveu

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

 

He's a day one starter and its not even close imo.  Had more passing yards than Wash st. qb on 180 fewer attempts.  Isn't a 1 trick pony who relies on his guys for YAC, if anything his ball placement and ability to buy time created more YAC for them.  Athletic enough to be a threat with his legs.  I was always impressed with those touch passes on crossers, and to running backs.. set his guys up for big gains.  His deep ball always seemed really solid too, great touch.  

 

Oh and there's the big game feel - I know stats aren't like... everything related to QB and draft grades... But in the 3 biggest games of the year he averaged... 70% comp, 435 yards (on 42 attempts), and 6 TDs (16 through the air and 2 on the ground).  Really impressive.

I think he's a day 1 starter but he isn't a generational QB. Not even close

 

Being a 5th year senior and the oldest guy on the field is huge. Compare that to a guy like trevor Lawrence who won a National championship as the youngest on the Field

 

If Lawrence or Justin Fields were draft eligible both would go over Burrow hands down

 

Lawrence would have got selected round 1 out of HS .  He's the generational prospect

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