DB_Jelly Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Do players released now that the new league year started have to go through the waiver wire? Or are they just outright FA? Follow up question, if they do t have to go through waiver wire now, when does that start? Thank you in advanced
Lurker Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Waived - A non-vested player (less than four years of service) who is terminated goes through waivers. When he is released another team can claim him within a certain period of time. A vested veteran only goes through the waiver system from the trading deadline in midseason through the end of the season. During the offseason and all the way up to the trading deadline, a vested veteran gets released. Released - A vested veteran (4 or more years of accrued service) is free when he is terminated and can sign with any club. Keep in mind, if the termination takes place between the end of the trading deadline and the end of the calendar year, the player goes through waivers. A vested veteran released this time of year is free to sign with any team. Cut - An unofficial term for being terminated and one of the above two categories applies. 4
Rock'em Sock'em Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) The waiver system runs during the season, which is mid-July through the end of the season. There are no waivers this time of year. Not sure what the rules are today, but in 2015 the waiver period runs from the first business day after the Super Bowl through the end of the NFL’s regular season. During the season, the claim period is 24 hours. During the off season, it may be longer. It applies to those with less than four years in the league. https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-players/nfl-waiver-system-overview/ Edited March 22, 2020 by Rock'em Sock'em
Tuco Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Rock'em Sock'em said: The waiver system runs during the season, which is mid-July through the end of the season. There are no waivers this time of year. It applies to those with less than four years in the league. Wrong. Any player with less than 4 years released this time of year, or any time of year, absolutely goes through waivers.
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 If you pick someone up on waivers after September 1st they can't play in the playoffs.
Capco Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: If you pick someone up on waivers after September 1st they can't play in the playoffs. That's interesting. Didn't know that part.
MJS Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: If you pick someone up on waivers after September 1st they can't play in the playoffs. If that's true that's the dumbest rule I've ever heard and that needs to change immediately. What's the justification?
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: If that's true that's the dumbest rule I've ever heard and that needs to change immediately. What's the justification? IIRC it's some sort of restraint of trade law.
Lurker Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: If you pick someone up on waivers after September 1st they can't play in the playoffs. What ya talking about, Willis? Waived players added to the practice squad, for example, can certainly play in the playoffs if theiy're signed to the active roster. Example one is Duke Williams... Edited March 22, 2020 by Lurker
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lurker said: What ya talking about, Willis? Waived players added to the practice squad, for example, can certainly play in the playoffs if theiy're signed to the active roster. Example one is Duke Williams... He was on the Bills and came back. I remember a guy the Cards picked up in September one year and he helped them make the playoffs but couldn't play in against the Giants in the playoffs.
Lurker Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: He was on the Bills and came back. I remember a guy the Cards picked up in September one year and he helped them make the playoffs but couldn't play in against the Giants in the playoffs. That's nowhere in the NFL waiver rules that I can see: https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-players/nfl-waiver-system-overview/ NFL WAIVER SYSTEM OVERVIEW MAY 20, 2015 The NFL and NFL Players Association Collective Bargaining Agreement sets forth specific rules for how NFL clubs can claim and release players using the NFL’s waiver system. Here is how the process work. The waiver system allows player contracts or, in certain cases, a club’s NFL rights to a player to be made available by one club to the other clubs in the league. The waiver period runs from the first business day after the Super Bowl through the end of the NFL’s regular season. Except in rare incidents, the waiver period lasts 24 hours and all waivers are categorized as “no recall” and “no withdrawal,” which means once a club waives a player, it cannot take the player back or change the player’s status. Once a club waives a player, the 31 other clubs either file a claim to obtain him or they waive their chance to do so (thus the origin of the term “waiver”). Clubs are assigned players on a priority basis. From the first business day after the Super Bowl until the day after the third regular season week, assignments are based on a claiming order that is the same as the order in which clubs selected in that year’s Draft. From the beginning of the fourth regular season weekend through the Super Bowl, assignments are based on the inverse order of their win-loss record. For example, a team with fewer wins will be awarded a player off waivers ahead of a team with a better record. If a player passes through waivers unclaimed, he becomes a free agent. Once the waiver period starts each year through the trading deadline, a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club. From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Lurker said: That's nowhere in the NFL waiver rules that I can see: https://operations.nfl.com/updates/the-players/nfl-waiver-system-overview/ NFL WAIVER SYSTEM OVERVIEW MAY 20, 2015 The NFL and NFL Players Association Collective Bargaining Agreement sets forth specific rules for how NFL clubs can claim and release players using the NFL’s waiver system. Here is how the process work. The waiver system allows player contracts or, in certain cases, a club’s NFL rights to a player to be made available by one club to the other clubs in the league. The waiver period runs from the first business day after the Super Bowl through the end of the NFL’s regular season. Except in rare incidents, the waiver period lasts 24 hours and all waivers are categorized as “no recall” and “no withdrawal,” which means once a club waives a player, it cannot take the player back or change the player’s status. Once a club waives a player, the 31 other clubs either file a claim to obtain him or they waive their chance to do so (thus the origin of the term “waiver”). Clubs are assigned players on a priority basis. From the first business day after the Super Bowl until the day after the third regular season week, assignments are based on a claiming order that is the same as the order in which clubs selected in that year’s Draft. From the beginning of the fourth regular season weekend through the Super Bowl, assignments are based on the inverse order of their win-loss record. For example, a team with fewer wins will be awarded a player off waivers ahead of a team with a better record. If a player passes through waivers unclaimed, he becomes a free agent. Once the waiver period starts each year through the trading deadline, a vested veteran — a player who has acquired four years of pension credit — is not subject to the waiver system if the club decides to release him. That means if a team decides to release a vested veteran, the league considers his contract to be terminated immediately and he is free to negotiate and sign with any other club. From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process. Those are the NFL add ons. I know it's the law though because the Cardinals lost to the Giants because they really didn't have a good third baseman which is why they picked him up on waivers in the first place.
Lurker Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Those are the NFL add ons. I know it's the law though because the Cardinals lost to the Giants because they really didn't have a good third baseman which is why they picked him up on waivers in the first place. Baseball! The MLB rules are all together different than in the NFL. "To be eligible for a [MLB] team's postseason roster, a player must be on any of the following: (a) the 40-man reserve list, (b) the 60-day Injured list, or (c) the bereavement list as of August 31 at midnight ET.[1] The only exception is that a player who is on the injured list at the end of the regular season may be replaced on the postseason roster by any other player who was in the organization on August 31, with the approval of the Commissioner." Edited March 22, 2020 by Lurker
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lurker said: Baseball! The MLB rules are all together different than in the NFL. "To be eligible for a [MLB] team's postseason roster, a player must be on any of the following: (a) the 40-man reserve list, (b) the 60-day Injured list, or (c) the bereavement list as of August 31 at midnight ET.[1] The only exception is that a player who is on the injured list at the end of the regular season may be replaced on the postseason roster by any other player who was in the organization on August 31, with the approval of the Commissioner." Restraint of trade laws are in place and take precedent of individual industries or businesses. They apply to all sports, not just baseball.
Lurker Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Restraint of trade laws are in place and take precedent of individual industries or businesses. They apply to all sports, not just baseball. The NFL and MLB have anti-trust exemptions. Next...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 I think I am wavering in my understanding of the word ‘waiver’. ?
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Lurker said: The NFL and MLB have anti-trust exemptions. Next... Tell that to the Cardinals..
Lurker Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Tell that to the Cardinals.. Obviously, the Cards screewd up. Maybe they needed a better lawyer! The courts have generally left player movement rules be covered by CBA language under the Rule of Reason doctrine, not the much stricter per se rule. Baseball's CBA states that players have to be on the team's postseason roster on August 31 to be eligible for the playoffs. The courts would take that as a negotiated labor agreement and not find it to be a restraint of trade.
Tuco Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Tell that to the Cardinals.. Whatever rules MLB has do not apply to the NFL. On November 13 2019 Vernon Hargreaves was waived by Tampa Bay, claimed by Houston, and played in both playoff games for Houston, being credited with 6 solo tackles and 1 QB hit in the game against Buffalo. That's just one example I found with a quick internet search. And NFL players get claimed after September 1st all the time, and when in the history of the NFL have we ever heard of one not being able to play in the playoffs? Never. Not once.
4merper4mer Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Football has a loophole because their playoffs start in the new calendar year.
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