Artem Lipatov Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Did you really wanna see us overpay for someone like the jets did with George Fant? I see us addressing offense in the draft I thought we're in win now mode. Window with rookie QB contract bla bla. Give Allen best OL and weapons you can now. Waiting when/if Ford and Knox develop to be good starters is losing this season. I am not a specialist in assesing OL talent. But all last season guys here told Spain is weak link of our OL. But he gets renewal. Can we find some real OL upgrade in late picks of 2nd and 3rd round of draft?
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: I thought we're in win now mode. Window with rookie QB contract bla bla. Give Allen best OL and weapons you can now. Waiting when/if Ford and Knox develop to be good starters is losing this season. I am not a specialist in assesing OL talent. But all last season guys here told Spain is weak link of our OL. But he gets renewal. Can we find some real OL upgrade in late picks of 2nd and 3rd round of draft? I’m sure they’re will be upgrades in the draft. Overpaying for someone like Fant is how you lose in the season. O line in free agency this year wasn’t that good. Better to get young at the position Edited March 20, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I guess... Knox has potential but Jesus Christ, dude had a 20% drop rate. That’s ridiculous to rely on him as a starter. The site I saw said 12%. The same site said Ebron was at 9.6% last year.
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 Not a huge Ebron fan .... seems that the bills don’t value the position anyway. I know fans are high on Knox, but in reality they took a flyer on him as a player who did next to nothing in college.
Doc Brown Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 Main knock against Ebron is drop problems and inconsistent route running. The last thing this offense needs despite his physical talent. Knox and Kroft will be fine. 1
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said: I thought we're in win now mode. Window with rookie QB contract bla bla. Give Allen best OL and weapons you can now. Waiting when/if Ford and Knox develop to be good starters is losing this season. I am not a specialist in assesing OL talent. But all last season guys here told Spain is weak link of our OL. But he gets renewal. Can we find some real OL upgrade in late picks of 2nd and 3rd round of draft? It just isn’t that easy. Offensive linemen are so hard to find and there is a huge fail rate. Free agency is littered with failed first rounders like Germaine Ifedi each year. There are no dream team situations, unless you want to wind up like the Rams. The Bills are doing this the right way, a good mix of solid veterans, game breaking young players, and developing players. There is a good chance that Conklin gets hurt again with the Browns. There is always risk.
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He had 10 drops on 50 targets.... that’s ridiculously bad. Ebron wasn't much better. We'll see how this year pans out. If Knox still has trouble catching the ball, he'll be out of the rotation. Edited March 20, 2020 by Doc
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: My favorite tight end out there is Nick Vannett. He can block, he’s huge, and he has some pass catching skills. I think there is some potential still there as a former third rounder. All he would be doing is upgrading depth. He isn’t looking for starters at those positions. So maybe he brings in a Greg Van Roten or a Nick Vannett, but those guys would be coming in to compete. There are no upgrades to our starters at those positions out there in my opinion. That is a problem that could have been easily solved. 1 hour ago, Doc said: They weren't signing Ebron or any TE for that matter. It will be the same group as last year, ideally with everyone not named Lee Smith taking a big step foward. Which compounds this problem.... 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I just think they believe in Ford and Knox. I think those guys are their starters and if anything they would look for competition. I think the Olsen thing was a special case and he would have replaced Kroft. They believe in their draft picks, which they should. You can believe in Knox.....and have another guy who will start immediately who will at least as good as Knox right away. It's allowed to have 2 quality starters at TE on the roster.
Malazan Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I guess... Knox has potential but Jesus Christ, dude had a 20% drop rate. That’s ridiculous to rely on him as a starter. He had enough problems with drops, but no need to make stuff up.. https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/dawson-knox/
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Which compounds this problem.... Not a big problem. He dropped 1 pass every 2.7 games. And Ebron isn't the solution to it anyway.
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Not a big problem. He dropped 1 pass every 2.7 games. And Ebron isn't the solution to it anyway. How is doing nothing the solution to a problem? Drops per game isn't a stat....for a reason. Edited March 20, 2020 by Mr. WEO
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: How is doing nothing the solution to a problem? Knox was a rookie so I'll give him at least this year to see if he improves. And there are also Kroft and Sweeney. How is adding a guy with drop problems throughout his career like Ebron a solution?
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You can believe in Knox.....and have another guy who will start immediately who will at least as good as Knox right away. It's allowed to have 2 quality starters at TE on the roster. Point taken. I’m pretty sure Kroft is that guy for them. They signed him to be their starter last year, over a guy like Ebron who was available at the time. Then Kroft got hurt. He was okay when he came back, but aside from Austin Hooper, Kroft is still probably better than any other guys available in free agency. I think Olsen could have been that guy, but obviously he chose another team. I do really like Cole Kmet and he’s on my short list in the second round, though I don’t think he makes it there.
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Knox was a rookie so I'll give him at least this year to see if he improves. And there are also Kroft and Sweeney. How is adding a guy with drop problems throughout his career like Ebron a solution? With Luck in 2018, he caught 13 TDs, doc. He had 9 drops on 110 targets. You don't think Allen would like a guy like that PLUS whatever becomes of Knox ( a guy who really hasn't been a receiver of passes since high school)? Ebron is a solid vet, and would immediately be the best TE on this roster in years. Why argue with that for the cost? While you're "waiting to see if Knox improves" why wouldn't you also want Ebron there? It's a strange argument. 7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Point taken. I’m pretty sure Kroft is that guy for them. They signed him to be their starter last year, over a guy like Ebron who was available at the time. Then Kroft got hurt. He was okay when he came back, but aside from Austin Hooper, Kroft is still probably better than any other guys available in free agency. I think Olsen could have been that guy, but obviously he chose another team. I do really like Cole Kmet and he’s on my short list in the second round, though I don’t think he makes it there. No, Kroft got hurt in Cincy, went on IR (after one single career season that rose to adequate/mediocre when he was healthy). Then he came to Buffalo and immediately re-injured the foot. Back on IR. In my business, we call that predictable error. It is to be avoided.
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: With Luck in 2018, he caught 13 TDs, doc. He had 9 drops on 110 targets. You don't think Allen would like a guy like that PLUS whatever becomes of Knox ( a guy who really hasn't been a receiver of passes since high school)? Ebron is a solid vet, and would immediately be the best TE on this roster in years. Why argue with that for the cost? While you're "waiting to see if Knox improves" why wouldn't you also want Ebron there? It's a strange argument. Outside of that one really good season, he's been an average (what you would call "solid") TE, and really, a disappointment for where he was drafted. And even during that season he had an 8.2% drop rate. If you were to take the number of targets he had divided by the number of targets for Knox and multiply that by Knox's receptions and yards, they'd come out similar, except for TD's. And even last year, on the same number of targets, their numbers were similar. I don't see the point in adding him and stunting his or Sweeney's growth.
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: People argued the same thing about the recievers last offseason.... how we were fine at the position. A lot like to just blindly go with whatever the regime is doing at a certain position.... After making the playoffs twice in their first 3 season, they get the benefit of the doubt. And I'd say we're fine at the WR position now, wouldn't you? 1
BigBillsFan Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 We are shallow at TE. We don't have any dependable talent that can help carry a game. If wishes and buts were candy and nuts... Not proven, and not a good situation for a young QB. Sorry but this is a fail. Hooper should have been our guy.
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 Somehow the Steelers did this with negative cap space.
Doc Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said: We are shallow at TE. We don't have any dependable talent that can help carry a game. If wishes and buts were candy and nuts... Not proven, and not a good situation for a young QB. Sorry but this is a fail. Hooper should have been our guy. Is Hooper a TE who can carry a game? He's a fine player and would have been a good get but his rookie stats were similar to Knox's. Again, give Knox some time. 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Yes now although I'd argue they need more depth.... but many thought we were fine a year ago.... including McBeane. Playoffs twice in their first 3 seasons is great. ... still no playoff wins and bad offenses. They get the benefit of the doubt with the defense, with the offense not really. You'd be hard-pressed to find a team with more depth at WR than the Bills have now. As for being fine last year, they were...to make the playoffs. They're addressing the offense.
BigBillsFan Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Is Hooper a TE who can carry a game? He's a fine player and would have been a good get but his rookie stats were similar to Knox's. Again, give Knox some time. Knox's drops are not to be trusted. I said "helped" carry a game. He's a dependable outlet to a young QB on a rookie contract. Knox is unknown and certainly not dependable at this minute.
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