OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: 185 actually. ...compass says 1st half was down hill and 2nd half was uphill................
mjt328 Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Ultimately, I think his age slowed him down, but I also think play selection got very predictable when he was on the field. It seemed like they felt obligated to get him a number of snaps per game in deference to his career stature and leadership. When he was on the field they almost always gave him the ball. Since he had slowed down, those handoffs were pretty much always between the tackles. Very true on both fronts. Old runners fall of a cliff quickly. In my opinion, the best way to build a backfield is to draft someone in Rounds 2-3 (this is the sweet spot for getting solid value) at least every 2-4 years. You always want to have two young guys splitting time, rather than count on a single workhorse. And when Free Agency eventually comes up, don't get emotionally attached to the fan favorites. Realize they can be replaced. The Bills should be seeking an RB in the draft this year to pair with Devin Singletary. Rookies at the position can often come in Year 1 and be very effective, especially in a timeshare. Jonathan Taylor and JK Dobbins are some options usually mocked in the 2nd Round this year. Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Zack Moss, Cam Akers, Eno Benjamin and AJ Dillon are some guys who would likely be available in the 3rd.
Jay_Fixit Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 4 hours ago, DFT said: Because he’s 184... Bro, I was gonna respond with 163 LMAOFLLFFLLOLOLLL 1
LABILLBACKER Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 Once Devin went down it felt like Daboll felt obligated to leave Frank in there to pass Barry Sanders. It was a calculated error to bring in a RB that old for some nostalgic mentoring. Yeldon would have produced much more in backup duty and been less predictable. 1
Phil The Thrill Posted March 20, 2020 Author Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: This, for part time fans like Phil who have to ask.. Washington game is where his wonderful career hit the concrete wall because that’s when Motor became the focal point of the running game. After that, when Gore came in, it meant he was getting the ball on short yardage plays. I don’t know if I buy this, because the Washington game was earlier in the year. If it was so apparent like you said, why would the Bills continually use Gore over and over and over again? 40 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Fail. His touches went down after game 6. Instead of an average of 14+ touches per game, he was betting just over 9 touches down the stretch. Chandler's explanation is the simplest. As Singletary became the feature back, Gore had to transition to a short yardage specialist. Unfortunately, he often failed in that role. On a number of occasions, he failed to convert on third and short or fourth and short. If he often failed, why didn’t they find a new short yardage back? Why would they stick with Gore?
DFT Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Bro, I was gonna respond with 163 LMAOFLLFFLLOLOLLL I literally thought of you when I typed it, so..... RRROOOOTTTTCCCC(carpeted)FFFFFFLLLLLLMMMMMAAAAAOOOOOOLOLCATZ
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 4 hours ago, BUNCH OF MULARKEY said: 4 hours ago, TroutDog said: Sign him! He’s a gamer! Is that a CJ Spiller sighting? So fasttttt!!! 2
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 50 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Is that a CJ Spiller sighting? So fasttttt!!! Kills me took him in the first round. We needed a QB so badly and we took a RB. Good O’l Buddy Nix 1
CNYfan Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 5 hours ago, BUNCH OF MULARKEY said: I wish No. 15 and No. 40 had been blocking for Josh on that sweep where Knox whiffed his block (can't think of an apt metaphor but it was bad) 2
CardinalScotts Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 some age- play calls were short yardage with an o line that had a terrible time moving guys in short yardage situations generally weren't physical enough. started sneaking Josh who to his credit picked them up but was never easy as we know. Who is that Mauler you can get behind on 3rd and 1.5 ?
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Kills me took him in the first round. We needed a QB so badly and we took a RB. Good O’l Buddy Nix I'm not gonna lie... I wanted to trade down for Tebow and Gronk
billsfan_34 Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: In looking back on the 2019 season I’m continually perplexed how bad Frank Gore was running the ball. He was completely ineffective and it seemed like every time he carried the ball he ran straight into a brick wall. It was terrible - and yes way worse than Mike Tolbert running the ball in 2017. I have never been more frustrated with a player than I have with Frank Gore running the ball toward the end of the 2019 season. I’ll stand by the fact that I think keeping him active hurt the team and that I get the team would have been better off with Yeldon on the field. He should have not been active....period. But his season didn’t start bad by any means. He was the main RB after Singletary’s injury in Week 2 and he performed well. I split his season up roughly based on the number of carries. These are his numbers in Weeks 1-6: 86 carries for 388 yards 4.5 yards per carry 14.3 carries per game 2 rushing TD’s Weeks 7-16 91 carries for 211 yards 2.3 yards per carry 9.1 carries per game 0 rushing TD’s What inflates these numbers badly is a 27 yard run versus Denver. If you take that out of the mix, Gore was 90 carries for 184 and a whopping 2 yards per carry. So the question is, why did his production drop off? Did they run Gore too hard when Singletary was hurt as opposed to spreading his carries out over the year? Did he get burned out carrying the load early in? Or was Gore so limited that it became predictable when he was in the backfield? Teams knew his limitations and just run blitzed the house to stop him? I do respect what Gore has done and am glad he was a good mentor to Singletary but unless you can turn back the clock 10 years, I never....NEVER want to see him carry the ball for the Bills again. It was just too tragic. He is old- thats why
3rdand12 Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 8 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Ultimately, I think his age slowed him down, but I also think play selection got very predictable when he was on the field. It seemed like they felt obligated to get him a number of snaps per game in deference to his career stature and leadership. When he was on the field they almost always gave him the ball. Since he had slowed down, those handoffs were pretty much always between the tackles. I felt he had a an ankle or foot issue. What burst he had disappeared. He was getting into the push by the line at the right moment. Play calling was weak for him as well. Never looked him out to the flat or over the middle did they? Or gave him room with the play call. at one point it felt like Bills were just running a play to set something up, or catch a defense napping. something was amiss. cuz he was making plays first half of season it seemed
Orlando Buffalo Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Mainly age- it is honestly the only explanation for the dude that is 3rd on the rushing list.
ganesh Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 In the 2nd half of the season when Frank was on the field, it was mainly to run out the clock and reduce the game time. Opposing defenses knew we were running the ball in that situation and loaded the box. Gore does not have the same burst that he had 10 years ago to counter that and was wrapped easily at the LoS. Our OL also did not do him much favor in helping run between the tackles. This is a missing piece of our OL. We were good in running the ball when there was space created for the RB (Creative play calling). But running straight and ramming down the throats of the defense, we struggled mightily. We need a more dominating OL (attitude) and a hard nosed RB who can run between the tackles and TIRE the defense
Freddie's Dead Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 11 hours ago, freddyjj said: Gore was seldom used in the 11 formation they used in back half of season. When he went on field we lined up in heavy formations more often. As a result lots of 8 or 9 man boxes. He was in when they knew we were running (short yardage, goal line or 4 minute drill). Not a lot of lanes to run through and he was too slow to run outside by design. That's why there will be a new compliment to Motor in 2020. Nice Motor, good Motor.... 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Tired legs, would have been better coming in the second half of the season but he was invaluable in teaching Singletary how to be a pro.
Prickly Pete Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) If they'd had the foresight to get a better back last off-season, they might have won a playoff game. They probably would have won at least one more game during the season. Gore was a liability. 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Tired legs, would have been better coming in the second half of the season but he was invaluable in teaching Singletary how to be a pro. Prove it. How did you reach that conclusion? "Invaluable" Really, how the ***** do you know? Edited March 21, 2020 by 32ABBA 1
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