The China Problem

[LeviF]

It's well-demonstrated now: people who thought the Cold War was over were idiots.  The USSR fell and the USA propped China up in its place to allow our corporations to exploit cheap labor and proto-capitalist human rights abuses.  PPP hero Reagan possibly the initial guilty party, but blame can be reasonably shared among most fed politicians over the last 35 years.

 

The recent sins of China re: Wuhan flu/COVID/whatever pale in comparison to previous sins, but they serve as an excellent example of what's wrong with America now.  ChiComs lie and cover up a highly infectious disease outbreak in their country, including destroying tests and samples as early as December (https://nypost.com/2020/02/29/china-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-in-december-ordered-cover-up-report-says/ and https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj ).  They allow the virus to spread uncontained for months, all the while continuing to send masses of people out of the country.  All this comes out in America, and the Chinese propaganda machines start rolling about how it's "racist" to call this a Chinese virus (does anybody really think the ChiComs give a damn about racism?).  Media and pols, useful idiots bought and paid for by Beijing, happily parrot this stupid talking point during press conferences about virus response and on social media.  Thankfully, our President refuses to back down on this point.  More on that later.

 

Once things got out of hand in China, supply chains and production suffered.  Suddenly, our utter dependence on China is brought to light.  From pharmaceuticals to valves and masks, we have given China far too much power over our medical disaster response.  Supply chains and jobs that belong in America to supply America with proper American emergency supplies were long ago moved to China (and other Azn countries) by multinational corporations because of the federal government's "bend over" policy with regard to trade regulations that only served to fill their pockets and the pockets of their friends.  This is the failure of globalism as it exists in America currently; globalism only works when you're in China's place in this scenario, not America's.  ANY multinational corp that comes to Congress asking for taxpayer money during the coming economic crisis should be taken to task over this and given strict conditions involving the moving of these supply chains and jobs back to the USA, with severe penalties for executives that violate these conditions.  I'm not talking fines, I'm talking dragged to the public square with a hood over their head.  Turbo-capitalist boomers need not respond to this section.  "Muh free market" is dumb and you're dumb.  Traitors should be dealt with quickly and severely.

 

The fight over "Chinese" virus phrasing is a proxy war.  Career politicians and others in the top caste of our society don't want us to call it Chinese because they plan on going right back to the old way: sell our interests and blue collar class to China after collecting a shitload of bailout money courtesy of the American taxpayer.  This is a China problem, and we call it a China problem because we need people to fight to take our jobs and supply chains back from China and ultimately hold China responsible for what has become an barely mitigated disaster.  This is why I want the President to stand his ground on this.  He should remove any "journalist" who continues to ask why he calls it the "Chinese virus" from the press corps immediately, as they are simply mouthpieces for China and do not belong in a privileged position.  American journalists have been banned in China so they can freely gaslight the world and suggest that the great American military is responsible for the virus.  We can't let them.

 

We need to immediately begin knocking China off their high seat in the economic world.  Tax all remittances to China.  Use the remittances you tax to get a short list of H1-Bs and the like to revoke and deport.  Revoke all student visas of Chinese nationals and immediately deport them.  Refuse to permit any Chinese students to study at American universities in the future.  Continue to restrict imports from China through the use of tariffs. 

 

China is our enemy.  We should never be at the economic mercy of a foreign power, especially one that is our enemy.  Cripple these bastards.  Enough is enough.  We need American nationalism now.

[Foxx]

someone should tell the Democrats this.

[4merper4mer]

22 minutes ago, Foxx said:

someone should tell the Democrats this.

They did but Feinstein's driver said it was fake news.

[Tiberius]

28 minutes ago, Foxx said:

someone should tell the Democrats this.

Was your MAGA hat made in China? 

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Was your MAGA hat made in China? 

  Your hammer and sickle underwear surely was.

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Your hammer and sickle underwear surely was.

Me? Or Trump and his communist bailout, lol 

 

Trump is now to the left of Bernie Sanders 

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Me? Or Trump and his communist bailout, lol 

 

Trump is now to the left of Bernie Sanders 

  Ask your Soros overseer for a break because you have plum run out of fresh material.

[Tiberius]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  Ask your Soros overseer for a break because you have plum run out of fresh material.

The government is bailing us out. Period 

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

The government is bailing us out. Period 

 

Which is quite the change from them bailing out multinationals that sold our interests to China.  Maybe it's time to start re-evaluating who the leftist policies in the country actually sought to benefit for the past 30 years.

 

But this will be the pivot from leftists from this point forward because they're either paid by China or useful idiots for those paid by China: "SEE??? Trump is a SOCIALIST!  Better vote for a good, moderate Dem like Uncle Joe come November!" 

 

Meanwhile Uncle Joe is one of the worst offenders when it comes to the China problem: https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/why-china-is-rooting-for-joe-biden-to-win-2020-presidential-race/

 

As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in the early 2000s and then as veep, Biden helped along China’s geopolitical rise. Bernie Sanders is thus right to criticize Biden for supporting the grant of Permanent Normal Trade Relations status to China in 2000.

 

A decade later, Biden ­said: “A rising China is a … positive ­development not only for China, but for America.” Tell that to the 1 million Uighurs in Chinese concentration camps. Tell it to Asian democracies menaced by Beijing’s bullying. Tell it to the American factory workers who lost good jobs while Hunter got $80,000 a month for his princeling sinecure.

 

Oh, and what did Biden do about the growing Chinese-fueled fentanyl crisis while “overseeing the China portfolio,” as he says he did in the ­Obama administration? Nada.

 

Biden is a career politician (read: traitor) who has repeatedly betrayed America's interests to benefit himself.  He is a Chinese imperialist in a time where we desperately need American nationalists in power.

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Which is quite the change from them bailing out multinationals that sold our interests to China.  Maybe it's time to start re-evaluating who the leftist policies in the country actually sought to benefit for the past 30 years.

 

But this will be the pivot from leftists from this point forward because they're either paid by China or useful idiots for those paid by China: "SEE??? Trump is a SOCIALIST!  Better vote for a good, moderate Dem like Uncle Joe come November!" 

 

Meanwhile Uncle Joe is one of the worst offenders when it comes to the China problem: https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/why-china-is-rooting-for-joe-biden-to-win-2020-presidential-race/

 

 

 

 

Biden is a career politician (read: traitor) who has repeatedly betrayed America's interests to benefit himself.  He is a Chinese imperialist in a time where we desperately need American nationalists in power.

Go Biden! End this Trump disaster, worst, most corrupt president ever. 

 

We can can follow up on the Russian connections after he is out of office and can no longer stonewall the investigation. 

[LeviF]

The willful blindness of never-Trumpers and leftists is traitorous as well.

 

In a sane society, Tiberius and his ilk would have been publicly flogged and possibly hanged years ago.

 

A definition of "corruption" that does not include SELLING AMERICA TO CHICOMS is nothing if not a vile and contemptuous attempt to cover up their sins which dwarf anything they've accused Trump of.

 

Enough is enough. 

[RochesterRob]

7 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

The willful blindness of never-Trumpers and leftists is traitorous as well.

 

In a sane society, Tiberius and his ilk would have been publicly flogged and possibly hanged years ago.

 

A definition of "corruption" that does not include SELLING AMERICA TO CHICOMS is nothing if not a vile and contemptuous attempt to cover up their sins which dwarf anything they've accused Trump of.

 

Enough is enough. 

  There's still time.  Tibs can provide his own whipping post courtesy of his dungeon.

[3rdnlng]

Where Tiberius and his ilk belong:

 

[Joe Miner]

Goods that involve national security, healthcare, and public services need to be produced and programmed in the US.

 

Any overseas cheap labor for these products makes America vulnerable.  It's China today, but could just as easily be a different country tomorrow.

 

We also need to stop freely sharing our technological advances with these types of countries so that they can continue to produce our products cheaper.

[Unforgiven]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

The government is bailing us out. Period 

    I've only been on this board for a few days but I've come to notice this poster

is extremely toxic. This individual is deeply disturbed.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

55 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

Goods that involve national security, healthcare, and public services need to be produced and programmed in the US.

 

Any overseas cheap labor for these products makes America vulnerable.  It's China today, but could just as easily be a different country tomorrow.

 

We also need to stop freely sharing our technological advances with these types of countries so that they can continue to produce our products cheaper.

 

EVERYTHING should be manufactured here. Globalism and outsourcing was THE single biggest error of the past 30 years.

 

Corporate greed is unchecked mostly, and needs to be hemmed in for the betterment of us all.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

32 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

    I've only been on this board for a few days but I've come to notice this poster

is extremely toxic. This individual is deeply disturbed.

 

There's a gang of deeply disturbed posters. For years Tibs idiocy was encouraged if only by those wishing to have fun pummeling an easy target. He was the board's village idiot. Since the entire "RUSSIA" plot blew up in his face, he's gotten more unhinged and toxic. 

 

He's someone who should be ignored imo. He offers nothing of substance, ever. He doesn't even try to pretend to be honest. He's a net drain on this community now. 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

EVERYTHING should be manufactured here. Globalism and outsourcing was THE single biggest error of the past 30 years.

 

Corporate greed is unchecked mostly, and needs to be hemmed in for the betterment of us all.

 

Everything? Maybe just the essentials. Hate to take the jobs of making baseballs away from the Haitians and Costa Ricans. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Everything? Maybe just the essentials. Hate to take the jobs of making baseballs away from the Haitians and Costa Ricans. 

I do not think everything needs to be made here either. I do think we need national security and national health care products/concerns manufactured here. I think that is true for all first world countries.

[LeviF]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Everything? Maybe just the essentials. Hate to take the jobs of making baseballs away from the Haitians and Costa Ricans. 

 

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

I do not think everything needs to be made here either. I do think we need national security and national health care products/concerns manufactured here. I think that is true for all first world countries.

 

In times like these it's ok to use hyperbole to encourage corrective measures.  "Measured" responses don't get stuff done.  Trump knows this: it's a game of rhetoric now as every rhetorical debate is a proxy war for something else.