Phil The Thrill Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 Good deal for Baltimore and he should help their pass rush... it should also be noted that his numbers have dropped over the past years after his monster breakout season. Not as bad of a deal for Jacksonville as some of you make it out to be.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 10:30 PM, eball said: This. Sucks. Baltimore is becoming my 2nd most hated AFC rival. Expand Why? The dude is flat out OLD. Why worry about that?
Lurker Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 10:50 PM, Joe in Winslow said: Why? The dude is flat out OLD. Why worry about that? Expand LOL! In case you missed it... 2019 : Campbell--6.5 sacks and 25 quarterback hits Jerry Hughes--4.5 sacks, 9 quarterback hits Trent Murphy--5.0 sacks, 9 quarterback hits To put those QB hits in perspective, here are some 2019 comparables: ChandlerJones--26 Aaron Donald--24 JJ Watt--21 Yannick Ngakoue--15
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 10:52 PM, Lurker said: LOL! In case you missed it... 2019 : Campbell--6.5 sacks and 25 quarterback hits Jerry Hughes--4.5 sacks, 9 quarterback hits Trent Murphy--5.0 sacks, 9 quarterback hits To put those QB hits in perspective, here are some 2019 comparables: ChandlerJones--26 Aaron Donald--24 JJ Watt--21 Yannick Ngakoue--15 Expand OK so, we've established that you love to overpay for aging vets. Is that the best idea? I mean didn't we just draft the next Aaron Donald?
Lurker Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 10:53 PM, Joe in Winslow said: OK so, we've established that you love to overpay for aging vets. Is that the best idea? I mean didn't we just draft the next Aaron Donald? Expand One man's "over payment" is another's better team at a managable price. Trent Murphy says hello, BTW... 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 10:57 PM, Lurker said: One man's "over payment" is another's better team at a managable price. Trent Murphy says hello, BTW... Expand I'm allergic to signing 35 year old DTs to 20 million dollar a year contracts. That's not "manageable" by any definition. 1
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 5:16 PM, ScottLaw said: And yet cap space isn’t a concern whatsoever..... Bills need to make moves for guys like this one with FA approaching....at times I fear McBeane are too conservative. He’s better than anything this team has at pass rusher..... come on. Don’t we say this every offseason when we lose out on a FA/don’t make a trade? Expand 1
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 10:39 PM, ScottLaw said: Why do you care about his contract? Expand I see what you’re saying.... even for 1 year I wouldn’t want to give up $15M, all guaranteed. I’d rather save that and give Ngakoue $20M per and not all that guaranteed. Bills don’t need that dude.
Lurker Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 11:02 PM, Joe in Winslow said: I'm allergic to signing 35 year old DTs to 20 million dollar a year contracts. That's not "manageable" by any definition. Expand Lol. You're a funny guy...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 11:23 PM, Lurker said: Lol. You're a funny guy... Expand From your own post: "Already signed a 2-year, $27 million deal with Baltimore. $20 million guaranteed in 2020, just a $7 million hit in 2021..." So yes, they're paying him 20 million this year. How's THAT for comedy?
Lurker Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) On 3/15/2020 at 11:25 PM, Joe in Winslow said: From your own post: "Already signed a 2-year, $27 million deal with Baltimore. $20 million guaranteed in 2020, just a $7 million hit in 2021..." So yes, they're paying him 20 million this year. How's THAT for comedy? Expand Check the edit on that post, Joe... Edited March 15, 2020 by Lurker 1
Alphadawg7 Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) BREAKING NEWS: Free Agency and the Draft have NOT happened yet. Not to mention, trades can happen anytime still too. Geezus, why are so many people dwelling on this as if we missed our ONLY chance to get a DE end this year as if there was no Comparable or better option than 34 year old DE on a 2 year contract? R.E.L.A.X. Beane and McD have on many occasions stressed how Edge is one of the most important and highest paid positions after the quarterback position. So I think it’s pretty clear they will prioritize the position and will be focused on finding some good help there this offseason given Shaq seems likely to leave and Hughes is getting up there in age himself. Edited March 15, 2020 by Alphadawg7 2
FireChans Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 11:35 PM, Alphadawg7 said: BREAKING NEWS: Free Agency and the Draft have NOT happened yet. Not to mention, trades can happen anytime still too. Geezus, why are so many people dwelling on this as if we missed our ONLY chance to get a DE end this year as if there was no Comparable or better option than 34 year old DE on a 2 year contract? R.E.L.A.X. Beane and McD have on many occasions stressed how Edge is one of the most important and highest paid positions after the quarterback position. So I think it’s pretty clear they will prioritize the position and will be focused on finding some good help there this offseason given Shaq seems likely to leave and Hughes is getting up there in age himself. Expand It’s very likely that Campbell was the best DE option available for the Bills for 2020. And the price to acquire him was quite low. And acquiring him wouldn’t have limited us at all in terms of prioritizing the position in the other ways available to us. That’s why some folks are unhappy.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 11:35 PM, Alphadawg7 said: R.E.L.A.X. Expand Short supply these days. 1
FireChans Posted March 15, 2020 Posted March 15, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 11:04 PM, CEN-CAL17 said: I see what you’re saying.... even for 1 year I wouldn’t want to give up $15M, all guaranteed. I’d rather save that and give Ngakoue $20M per and not all that guaranteed. Bills don’t need that dude. Expand Ngakoue isn’t a free agent. I’d rather give Patrick Mahomes $40M but alas.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) On 3/15/2020 at 11:51 PM, FireChans said: It’s very likely that Campbell was the best DE option available for the Bills for 2020. And the price to acquire him was quite low. And acquiring him wouldn’t have limited us at all in terms of prioritizing the position in the other ways available to us. That’s why some folks are unhappy. Expand Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right? Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t. All players hit a cliff. 34 years old for a DE is old. Their are no assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year. And sorry, some of you are exaggerating him right now in terms of last year. I get it, people know his name. But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be. He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career. His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there. He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find. And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers. So IMO, some of you are over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being over exaggerated. Edited March 16, 2020 by Alphadawg7 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/16/2020 at 12:04 AM, Alphadawg7 said: Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right? Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t. All players hit a cliff. 34 years old for a DE is old. Their are NO assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year. And sorry, some of you are greatly exaggerating him right now in terms of last year. I get it, people know his name. But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be. He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career. His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there. He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find. And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers. So IMO, some of you are way over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being way over exaggerated. Expand Moar posts like this please. 1
eball Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 10:50 PM, Joe in Winslow said: Why? The dude is flat out OLD. Why worry about that? Expand It's not just this deal, it's that I believe Baltimore has the best organization in the AFC outside of (now) Buffalo. 1
FireChans Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/16/2020 at 12:04 AM, Alphadawg7 said: Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right? Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t. All players hit a cliff. 34 years old for a DE is old. Their are no assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year. And sorry, some of you are exaggerating him right now in terms of last year. I get it, people know his name. But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be. He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career. His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there. He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find. And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers. So IMO, some of you are over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being over exaggerated. Expand Ansah isnt Campbell but you know that. And Campbell is a 5x pro Bowler and All-Pro, his cute double digit sack stat aside. Who is the best DE on the market?
Augie Posted March 16, 2020 Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 11:51 PM, FireChans said: It’s very likely that Campbell was the best DE option available for the Bills for 2020. And the price to acquire him was quite low. And acquiring him wouldn’t have limited us at all in terms of prioritizing the position in the other ways available to us. That’s why some folks are unhappy. Expand The price to acquire him may have been so low only because the price to extend him was going to be so high. I want the best players, but if they knew he was asking for the moon and we felt it was excessive, then I trust their judgment. I am NOT saying that is the case, just saying they know a lot more about this than we do, and I tend to trust them. 2
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