PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 https://buffalonews.com/2020/03/12/cuomo-no-visitors-to-nursing-homes-public-events-with-more-than-500-people-to-be-banned/ 1
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 One quick question—what’s magic about the 500 people cutoff line? So if I go to an event with 498 others, nothing to worry about? Just sayin’ 1 1
PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2020 Author Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said: One quick question—what’s magic about the 500 people cutoff line? So if I go to an event with 498 others, nothing to worry about? Just sayin’ Arbitrary figure. Still allows conferences, clesses, etc.
row_33 Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: One quick question—what’s magic about the 500 people cutoff line? So if I go to an event with 498 others, nothing to worry about? Just sayin’ Two scoops of ice cream if you calculate the attendance is shy of 500 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: One quick question—what’s magic about the 500 people cutoff line? So if I go to an event with 498 others, nothing to worry about? Just sayin’ It's arbitrary with a bit of science behind it. If you know the prevalence of a disease in the population, epidemiologists can calculate the probability that someone infected will be at an event, based on the size of the event. Cuomo is probably trying to allow personal events like weddings to stay on and small businesses like restaurants to stay open while shutting down big sporting events and conventions that have a very high probability to have more than one infective carrier present. The thing is we really don't have good information about prevalence at this point. And it's probably non-random. Point: Biogen recently held a conference of about 175 people in Boston which is now responsible for 70 of the 92 Covid19 cases in the state of Massachusetts. If we really want to stem this thing, we have to just shut stuff down, no weaseling. 2 2
KD in CA Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 They closed off my MIL's nursing home to visitors yesterday....that seems like an obvious step considering the impact on the elderly and frail. 2 2
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Had it been a gubernatorial election year, I bet it would have been a higher number...?
/dev/null Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Sorry to go PPP here, but ummm Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Applies to state governments too 3
CountDorkula Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Sorry to go PPP here, but ummm Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Applies to state governments too While I get it, The general public is pretty F)(*^ Dumb and doesnt know how to protect themselves. Do you know how many people ive seen B()*&ing that the St Pats parade was cancelled because now they cant drink their face off. People are saying they are showing up to bard at 8AM regardless because they need to get hammered apparently. "Cuomo cant stop us"
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: One quick question—what’s magic about the 500 people cutoff line? So if I go to an event with 498 others, nothing to worry about? Just sayin’ This is what my wife has been saying. Either put on a full mandated quarantine or dont do anything. Dont half ass it. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, KD in CA said: They closed off my MIL's nursing home to visitors yesterday....that seems like an obvious step considering the impact on the elderly and frail. Except, what are they doing to ensure that aides and ancillary staff stay home when ill? That's the big question I have for the independent living facility where my mom lives. Because those people need their money to make rent, and they don't get paid for being sick, typically. 2 hours ago, /dev/null said: Sorry to go PPP here, but ummm Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Applies to state governments too Most governments have some provision for emergency action. The root idea is that in an emergency, it ain't peaceable to assemble. There is plenty of precedent - Yellow fever and cholera epidemics, Great Influenza of 1918, wartime And yeah, if anyone wants to go off discussing the constitutionality of emergency powers, it will go out the airlock, sorry. 1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said: This is what my wife has been saying. Either put on a full mandated quarantine or dont do anything. Dont half ass it. Your wife is a smart woman and she is essentially correct. A full quarantine where no one can leave their house would be hard unless there's a provision to provide supplies. But basically say all events/gatherings cancelled or don't bother, because 175 Biogen Idec executives showed they can catch Covid19 quite nicely, despite not being a gathering of >500. 2
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Your wife is a smart woman and she is essentially correct. A full quarantine where no one can leave their house would be hard unless there's a provision to provide supplies. But basically say all events/gatherings cancelled or don't bother, because 175 Biogen Idec executives showed they can catch Covid19 quite nicely, despite not being a gathering of >500. Probably smarter than me......as a mod, please delete this response in 30 minutes so she never sees it. 1 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Probably smarter than me......as a mod, please delete this response in 30 minutes so she never sees it. pssst Raoul....*whispers* she probably already knows
Koko78 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, /dev/null said: Sorry to go PPP here, but ummm Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Applies to state governments too Short answer: Constitutional rights are not guaranteed in all circumstances, especially where there is a compelling governmental interest at stake (such as public safety.) For example, yelling "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater in order to create a panic can be prosecuted, as it is not considered 'protected speech'. Legally, Cuomo is on pretty safe ground issuing this order. The state has a pretty substantial interest in preventing the spread of a virus that seems to be very easy to transmit en masse.
row_33 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Probably smarter than me......as a mod, please delete this response in 30 minutes so she never sees it. a wise man makes such a selection
row_33 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 4 hours ago, /dev/null said: Sorry to go PPP here, but ummm Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Applies to state governments too your people have a keen sense of freedom in their souls and won’t put up with proven unnecessary dicking around in their life the clock is ticking on putting up with these measures if they weren’t required in the first place 1
Saxum Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Point: Biogen recently held a conference of about 175 people in Boston which is now responsible for 70 of the 92 Covid19 cases in the state of Massachusetts. If we really want to stem this thing, we have to just shut stuff down, no weaseling. Considering type of company it is I wonder if this will show up as a positive or negative on balance sheet.
K-9 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 9 hours ago, /dev/null said: Sorry to go PPP here, but ummm Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Applies to state governments too Interesting. What happens when that assembly of the people conflicts with the constitutional mandate of the government to promote the general welfare of the people?
row_33 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: Interesting. What happens when that assembly of the people conflicts with the constitutional mandate of the government to promote the general welfare of the people? The 50th anniversary of what made Kent, Ohio famous is approaching Edited March 13, 2020 by row_33 1
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