FWIW, draft guru rates O-Line

[Beerball]

Rick Gosselin from the Dallas Morning News knows his football and puts alot of time into draft analysis. FWIW here's how he rates the O-line prospects:

 

 

1. T Jammal Brown

2. T Alex Barron

3. T Khalif Barnes

4. T Marcus Johnson

5. C Chris Spencer

6. G Logan Manikins

7. T Adam Terry

8. T Michael Roos

9. G Evan Mathis

10. T Chris Colmer

11. G Dan Buenning

12. C David Baas

13. G Chris Kemoeatu

14. C Jason Brown

15. G Nick Kaczur

 

Any shockers?

[BillsGuyInMalta]

David Baas is rated amazingly low in my opinion. He's better than Buenning, Mathis, Colmer, Roos and Mankins for sure.

[turftoe]

Do you have any of his other position rankings? This guy is usually on the money.

[Beerball]

Do you have any of his other position rankings?  This guy is usually on the money.

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He's working position by position, so yes, several are done. I have my password to the DMN at work, I'll try to remember to log in on Monday. Any particular positions?

 

BGIM--Baas is the one that grabbed me too. Gosselin is generally very good, we'll see.

[dj-man]

He's working position by position, so yes, several are done.  I have my password to the DMN at work, I'll try to remember to log in on Monday.  Any particular positions?

 

BGIM--Baas is the one that grabbed me too.  Gosselin is generally very good, we'll see.

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Rick Gosselin's position-by-position rankings

 

Rick Gosselin's position-by-position rankings

 

03:25 PM CST on Friday, April 1, 2005

 

QUARTERBACK

Rank, Player School

1. Aaron Rodgers Cal

2. Alex Smith Utah

3. Jason Campbell Auburn

4. Charlie Frye Akron

5. David Greene Georgia

Sleeper: Ryan Fitzpatrick Harvard

 

HALFBACK

Rank, Player School

1. Ronnie Brown Auburn

2. Cedric Benson Texas

3. Carnell Williams Auburn

4. Vernand Morency Oklahoma State

5. J.J. Arrington Cal

Sleeper: Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois

 

FULLBACK

Rank, Player School

1. Manny White UCLA

2. Nehemiah Broughton Citadel

3. Zach Tuiasosopo Washington

4. Will Matthews Texas

5. Kevin Dudley Michigan

Sleeper: Matt Pagel Wisconsin-LaCrosse

 

WIDE RECEIVER

Rank, Player School

1. Braylon Edwards Michigan

2. Mark Clayton Oklahoma

3. Troy Williamson South Carolina

4. Mike Williams Southern Cal

5. Terrence Murphy Texas A&M

Sleeper: Jamarcus Shephard DePauw

 

TIGHT END

Rank, Player School

1. Heath Miller Virginia

2. Alex Smith Stanford

3. Kevin Everett Miami, Fla.

4. Jerome Collins Notre Dame

5. Victor Sesay Missouri

Sleeper: Ralph Plumb Yale

 

TACKLE

Rank, Player School

1. Jammal Brown Oklahoma

2. Alex Barron Florida State

3. Khalif Barnes Washington

4. Marcus Johnson Mississippi

5. Chris Colmer North Carolina State

Sleeper: Todd Herremans Saginaw Valley

 

GUARD

Rank, Player School

1. Logan Mankins Fresno State

2. Elton Brown Virginia

3. Adam Snyder Oregon

4. Chris Kemoeatu Utah

5. Dan Beunning Wisconsin

Sleeper: Joe Berger Michigan Tech

 

CENTER

Rank, Player School

1. Richie Incognito Nebraska

2. Chris Spencer Mississippi

3. David Baas Michigan

4. Jason Brown North Carolina

5. Eric Ghiaciuc Central

Michigan

Sleeper: Chase Johnson TCU

 

DEFENSIVE END

Rank, Player School

1. Erasmus James Wisconsin

2. Shawne Merriman Maryland

3. David Pollack Georgia

4. Marcus Spears LSU

5. Dan Cody Oklahoma

Sleeper: Rashad Jeanty Central Florida

 

DEFENSIVE TACKLE

Rank, Player School

1. Travis Johnson Florida State

2. Shaun Cody Southern Cal

3. Luis Castillo Northwestern

4. Jonathan Babineaux Iowa

5. Anttaj Hawthorne Wisconsin

Sleeper: Willie Page NW Oklahoma

State

 

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER

Rank, Player School

1. Derrick Johnson Texas

2. Demarcus Ware Troy State

3. Kevin Burnett Tennessee

4. Darryl Blackstock Virginia

5. Mike Boley Southern Miss

Sleeper: Guy Tuell Wyoming

 

INSIDE LINEBACKER

Rank, Player School

1. Channing Crowder Florida

2. Odell Thurman Georgia

3. Barrett Rudd Nebraska

4. Kirk Morrison San Diego State

5. Alfred Fincher Connecticut

Sleeper: Nick Speegle New Mexico

 

CORNERBACK

Rank, Player School

1. Antrell Rolle Miami, Fla.

2. Adam Jones Virginia Tech

3. Carlos Rogers Auburn

4. Fabian Washington Nebraska

5. Justin Miller Clemson

Sleeper: Aric Williams Oregon State

 

SAFETY

Rank, Player School

1. Thomas Davis Georgia

2. Brodney Pool Oklahoma

3. Josh Bullucks Nebraska

4. Oshiomogho Atogwe Stanford

5. Sean Considine Iowa

Sleeper: Chris Harris Louisiana-Monroe

 

SPECIAL TEAMS

Rank, Player, Pos. School

1. Mike Nugent, K Ohio State

2. Dave Rayner, K Michigan State

3. Dustin Colquitt, P Tennessee

4. Reggie Hodges, P Ball State

5. Chad Owens, KR Hawaii

Sleeper: Paul Ernster, K Northern Arizona

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon....19718cb90.html

[Pac_Man]

I read that Baas had an extremely high score on the Wonderlic test. The Patriots place strong emphasis on intelligence, and they've done okay.

[dj-man]

heres my early mock

 

Odell thurman ILB

Richie Incognito OT

Justin Geisinger C

Alphonso Hodge DB

Joel Dreessen WR

Kerry Rhodes FS

Ron Fields DT

[Sound_n_Fury]

David Baas is rated amazingly low in my opinion.  He's better than Buenning, Mathis, Colmer, Roos and Mankins for sure.

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As a big Chris Spenser fan, this tidbit from Gosselin is interesting:

 

"Chris Spencer has never allowed a sack. Repeat, never — not in high school, not in college. That's seven consecutive seasons of keeping his quarterback upright. He got some help in high school, though. "We didn't throw the ball," Spencer said. "We ran the ball every play."

 

But Ole Miss threw the ball, especially in Spencer's first two seasons when Eli Manning was the quarterback. Now Spencer is skipping his senior season to turn pro. His challenges will be greater, but his goal remains the same. "I don't plan on giving up a sack," Spencer said."

 

Speaking of not giving up a sack, Jammal Brown of Oklahoma is not far behind:

 

"The Oklahoma Sooners were once the foremost rushing team in the land under Barry Switzer. But under Bob Stoops, they throw the ball. That puts pressure on your blockers to protect the passer. How's this for protection — Jammal Brown allowed only one sack in 805 pass attempts by Jason White the last two years. He was a four-year starter and three-time All-Big 12 pick for the Sooners."

[The Jokeman]

As a big Chris Spenser fan, this tidbit from Gosselin is interesting:

 

"Chris Spencer has never allowed a sack. Repeat, never — not in high school, not in college. That's seven consecutive seasons of keeping his quarterback upright. He got some help in high school, though. "We didn't throw the ball," Spencer said. "We ran the ball every play."

 

But Ole Miss threw the ball, especially in Spencer's first two seasons when Eli Manning was the quarterback. Now Spencer is skipping his senior season to turn pro. His challenges will be greater, but his goal remains the same. "I don't plan on giving up a sack," Spencer said."

 

Speaking of not giving up a sack, Jammal Brown of Oklahoma is not far behind:

 

"The Oklahoma Sooners were once the foremost rushing team in the land under Barry Switzer. But under Bob Stoops, they throw the ball. That puts pressure on your blockers to protect the passer. How's this for protection — Jammal Brown allowed only one sack in 805 pass attempts by Jason White the last two years. He was a four-year starter and three-time All-Big 12 pick for the Sooners."

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and Trey Teague has only given up 0.5 sack over the past two seasons, I guess that is just too many and warrants why he should be replaced?

[Ralonzo]

Any shockers?

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I can't believe how far a guy like Elton Brown has fallen. He was touted as a possible late 1st rounder before combines, and now it seems he might not go on the first day. Would he be worth a late 3rd? Hopefully more so than, say, Coy Wire or Corey Moore.

[VABills]

According to Scouts, this is the OL with a rating greater then 80.

 

 

 

Alex Barron OT 6'7" 320 FLORIDA STATE 95 Expert's Take

Khalif Barnes OT 6'5" 305 WASHINGTON 91 D Expert's Take

Jammal Brown OT 6'5" 316 OKLAHOMA 90 M Expert's Take

David Baas OC 6'4" 319 MICHIGAN 89 Expert's Take

Marcus Johnson OT 6'6" 321 MISSISSIPPI 87 S Expert's Take

Elton Brown OG 6'4" 329 VIRGINIA 87 Expert's Take

Chris Spencer OC 6'2" 309 MISSISSIPPI 85 Expert's Take

Adam Terry OT 6'8" 330 SYRACUSE 84 B Expert's Take

Logan Mankins OG 6'4" 307 FRESNO STATE 81 Expert's Take

[BillsGuyInMalta]

I can't believe how far a guy like Elton Brown has fallen. He was touted as a possible late 1st rounder before combines, and now it seems he might not go on the first day. Would he be worth a late 3rd? Hopefully more so than, say, Coy Wire or Corey Moore.

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Aqua Teen Hunger Force single-handidly made TV worth watching again.

[Sound_n_Fury]

and Trey Teague has only given up 0.5 sack over the past two seasons, I guess that is just too many and warrants why he should be replaced?

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TT's a good center who's playing his final year as a Bill. Now is the time to begin grooming his replacement and Spenser is the guy with the most potential in this draft class.

[dj-man]

TT's a good center who's playing his final year as a Bill. Now is the time to begin grooming his replacement and Spenser is the guy with the most potential in this draft class.

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Buffalo must go with a center...

 

We have our Qb, RB, WR, TE, RT, now all we need is the center... As a Michigan fan, i'm hoping for Baas....

[Mile High]

I think Terry from Syracuse could be a sleeper pick. Remember he did practice against Dwight Freeney for two years and he's doing alright now.