Bills sign Josh Norman

[BmarvB]

7 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Does this mean KJ is gone?

 

I sure hope not. I'd rather have him instead

[DCOrange]

5 minutes ago, Mango said:

 To play devils advocate, the HC, Ron Rivera, where he thrived is the the one who cut him. It’s not like he couldn’t have been kept as a system guy in Washington. 

Difference is Norman was getting paid more than twice as much in Washington and we're at a different stage of building than Washington.

Edited March 9, 2020 by DCOrange

[whatdrought]

Cornerbacks are one of the most scheme dependent positions in the NFL. Guys can thrive in one spot and then be trash else where. I remember when Nmandi Asamough was a top 5 corner in Oakland, went to Philly and was horrible. 

[CommonCents]

6 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Yeah, because Norman probably will get fat and out of shape, right?

Who said that? 

[Beast]

The more I think about it the more I like this signing.

 

We still have Levi Wallace who I expect to be better next season. Wallace/ Norman possibly Johnson fight it out for playing time. This signing makes our CB group one of the strongest in the league.

[YoloinOhio]

24 minutes ago, Mango said:

 To play devils advocate, the HC, Ron Rivera, where he thrived is the the one who cut him. It’s not like he couldn’t have been kept as a system guy in Washington. 

Rivera was the HC when he thrived but it was McDermott’s defense. Rivera no longer has McDermott’s’s defense. He has Jack Del Rio’s.

Edited March 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Rochesterfan]

23 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

Murph and Chris Brown are saying no guaranteed money...All base salary with incentives...Not saying that's right...But it's what they said...?

 

This would make sense because as a veteran player - if he is on the week 1 roster - it becomes guaranteed.  
 

They should not have to give extra guarantees because of his status as a veteran.

 

This adds to the value as if he is bad - he is gone and no impact at all.  If he is good - you have Kevin Johnson all over again.  A guy you can play as needed, while still allowing Levi his growth and time.

 

No real down side as it has little cap impact and brings in another depth guy to ensure we have a set roster.

 

[Logic]

6 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

This adds to the value, as if he is bad - he is gone and no impact at all.  If he is good - you have Kevin Johnson all over again.  A guy you can play as needed, while still allowing Levi his growth and time.

 

No real down side as it has little cap impact and brings in another depth guy to ensure we have a set roster.

 

This guy gets it.

[Logic]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I don't care what McBeane say.  Star is not good.

Opinions of professional NFL general manager and a head coach who is one of the top five defensive minds in the NFL, not to mention a long time pro like Lorenzo Alexander? Bupkus.

Opinion of Two Bills Drive message board member ScottLaw? Gold. Unimpeachable.

Edited March 9, 2020 by Logic

[Just Joshin']

43 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

Murph and Chris Brown are saying no guaranteed money...All base salary with incentives...Not saying that's right...But it's what they said...?

That is good on Beane's part.  It will be guaranteed if he is on the team week 1 unless that is changed in the new CBA.

[teef]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I don't care what McBeane say.  Star is not good.

but how do you feel about milano?

[atlbillsfan1975]

25 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This would make sense because as a veteran player - if he is on the week 1 roster - it becomes guaranteed.  
 

They should not have to give extra guarantees because of his status as a veteran.

 

This adds to the value as if he is bad - he is gone and no impact at all.  If he is good - you have Kevin Johnson all over again.  A guy you can play as needed, while still allowing Levi his growth and time.

 

No real down side as it has little cap impact and brings in another depth guy to ensure we have a set roster.

 

Good post.

if there is no real guaranteed money, other than I am assuming some type of signing bonus, this is a big win. Norman shows up out of shape or uninterested he is gone before week 1.

Great signing and allows the Beane to take CB2 out of round 1 or 2 consideration. Still would like to see a CB picked somewhere in the mid rounds they see as development player that needs a year. Someone from a smaller school or with only a years worth of good film.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

3 hours ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

  Genuinely curious. What does this statement mean? What do you have against Norman?

 

  A lot of people don't like him because he talks smack and gets in people's face. Is this your issue with him? Do you see him as a bad influence? Because I can't think what else you could mean. 

A lot of NFL players talk smack and get in people's faces but don't get benched and made inactive because of that. 

[whatdrought]

32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Rivera was the HC when he thrived but it was McDermott’s defense. Rivera no longer has McDermott’s’s defense. He has Jack Del Rio’s.

 

Does Del Rio use long, physical press-man corners? I seem to remember him being the DC in Denver when they got Talib who (I think) is a man-cover specialist?

[ngbills]

28 minutes ago, Logic said:

Opinions of professional NFL general manager and a head coach who is one of the top five defensive minds in the NFL, not to mention a long time pro like Lorenzo Alexander? Bupkus.

Opinion of Two Bills Drive message board member ScottLaw? Gold. Unimpeachable.

Seriously - who do these people think they are? Questioning a move by an NFL GM and head coach. I remember when people tried to question starting Nathan Peterman. Fools thinking they know so much. Who was laughing after Peterman went on to dominate...wait, oh wrong number, so sorry. 

Edited March 9, 2020 by ngbills

[Shaw66]

I thought I'd look at a few stats.

 

First, in Norman's last season in Carolina, the Panthers were #1 in the league in defensive passer rating.   The first season he was gone, they were 21st.

 

In his 4 seasons in Carolina he had 36 passes defended.   In his four seasons in Washington, he had 43 Passes defended (he played a half season more in Washington).   

 

He had 7 interceptions in Washington and 7 interceptions in Carolina.  

 

How much speed he's lost and how much agility he's lost is measurable, and no doubt the Bills have measured it.  So although we don't have it, McBeane have it.  

 

And the most important metrics, the soft metrics that McBeane value - teamwork, leadership, competitiveness, work ethic, McBeane already know.

 

I look at all that and think that the negative reaction about Norman really amount to two things:  (1) he got a big contract and then couldn't play up to the level of the contract.  That may cause some people to think that he is a bad player.  (2) he shot his mouth off a lot and couldn't live up to it.   

 

This is exactly the kind of free agent signing we keep getting from Beane.   He's plugging holes, not looking for star.   He wants guys who can play and do their job.   Every hole he plugs leaves him free to go BPA in the draft, which is his objective.   Assuming they re-sign Johnson, there's a good chance they now have CB covered for 2020.   

 

 

 

 

 

[Logic]

16 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Seriously - who do these people think they are? Questioning a move by an NFL GM and head coach. I remember when people tried to question starting Nathan Peterman. Fools thinking they know so much. Who was laughing after Peterman went on to dominate...wait, oh wrong number, so sorry. 

Have you taken a look at ScottLaw's post history?

I'm guessing not.

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Does Del Rio use long, physical press-man corners? I seem to remember him being the DC in Denver when they got Talib who (I think) is a man-cover specialist?

He plays man coverage - and will again if he has the players. Right now the only fit is Quinton Dunbar. his scheme is a poor fit for Norman 

[thunderingsquid]

9 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I think It would be hard to run the team from there  

Ralph did it from Detroit.  

[JMF2006]

4 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

Ralph did it from Detroit.  

 

He was the owner though

 

He could have done his part from Australia