GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: at some point QB pay has to come back to earth. Otherwise, it will become increasingly difficult to win with a 2nd contract QB. I mean, Kirk is entering yr. 3 in Minn and still looks overpaid, and is wrecking cap havoc on Minn. As to 1, I put Josh in a category of "can carry a team." I'd put Josh over Dak in ranking QB's. And I'm not a blind JA fanboy. He needs to improve accuracy (drops aside), and leading WR's open. But Josh has the game-winning "it" ability that Dak does not. Right now today you would rank Josh above Dak? That is crazy. Absolutely fine to say you still think his ceiling is higher, he has more natural talent and he can take another jump this year then it might be a conversation. But as of right now you rank him higher? Nah sorry. As for the QB pay point.... other than Brees and Brady who are ring chasing at the tail end of their careers and then the guys who are still on rookie deals who is paid less than Kirk Cousins that you think should be getting more than him? Edited March 9, 2020 by GunnerBill 1
Captain Hindsight Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 21 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Dak is a good QB but no one can argue he is the best QB. It is all ego to be the highest paid for at least 10 minutes. I hate this argument. If I could be the highest paid engineer in the country for 10 mins I would take that deal too 1
Malazan Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: I hate this argument. If I could be the highest paid engineer in the country for 10 mins I would take that deal too Would you if you knew that it meant every project you worked on was now going to fail because you're the only engineer they can afford and now you work with people that have the skill set of career politicians instead of engineers?
Bill from NYC Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I liked Dak as well. That said, how the Cowboys handled him his first few years was almost the "anti-Josh". Dak started with a very strong OL and a deadly run game with Zeke, that teams had to sell out to stop his rookie season. Top 5 rush yards, 3 of his 4 years, and top-10 the 4th. I think about his worst receiving corps was Beasley, Witten, and Des Bryant (maybe Bryant, Terrance Williams, Witten and Beasley his 2nd season). It's like the Cowboys dropped him into the Executive VIP suite and then noticed if it was merely Preferred Customer treatment he didn't thrive as well. That is a great description of exactly what happened over there! My issue with giving Zak a 5 year guaranteed contract for 200 or so million dollars would be whether or not he is just that great to be worth the risk. My gut reaction is to tend to think not. As far as Cousins, no way.
Captain Hindsight Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Would you if you knew that it meant every project you worked on was now going to fail because you're the only engineer they can afford and now you work with people that have the skill set of career politicians instead of engineers? Do I still get paid? Then yes 1 1
Alphadawg7 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Any team who makes Dak a top 3 paid QB is a fool. So I hope they do it cuz F Dallas. He’s not terrible, but no way is he worth that money IMO. $43m for Dak and Amari??? Bahahahaha OMG I would love that. Not that either is “bad”, but talk about over paying for them. 1 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 46 minutes ago, warrior9 said: You have the most odd takes on players and desires of a football team I've ever witnessed.
H2o Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Any team who makes Dak a top 3 paid QB is a fool. So I hope they do it cuz F Dallas. He’s not terrible, but no way is he worth that money IMO. $43m for Dak and Amari??? Bahahahaha OMG I would love that. Not that either is “bad”, but talk about over paying for them. It's actually a bargain if they are going to shell out around $34,000,000 a year or more for Dak and then $15,000,000-$20,000,000 for Cooper. They won't be able to manipulate the cap hits like you could on a standard contract though.
unbillievable Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Texas doesn't have an income tax, so Dak and Cooper will automatically be pocketing 35% more money.
Billl Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, unbillievable said: Texas doesn't have an income tax, so Dak and Cooper will automatically be pocketing 35% more money. You were wrong enough the first time.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, H2o said: It's actually a bargain if they are going to shell out around $34,000,000 a year or more for Dak and then $15,000,000-$20,000,000 for Cooper. They won't be able to manipulate the cap hits like you could on a standard contract though. I’m not paying Dal $34m a year personally. Nor am I paying Cooper that either. Dak isn’t a top 5 QB, he’s not special IMO. Cooper isn’t even a top 10 WR. He’s good for a few big games with majority being mediocre or worse. Again neither is bad, and in fact would say both are even pretty good. I’m just saying I’m not gonna pay this duo a cap choking amount of money as if they were top 3 players at their positions. I don’t see them getting Dallas over the top. It’s one thing to pay one, but both is a bit too rich for me. 1
teef Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: It's worth it. It's about the mafia...did you know that? Joe Pesci is in it. the mafia...is that the volunteer organization?
Billl Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: I am afraid that I must strongly disagree. Josh has 10x the arm, is stronger, and more athletic than those 2 combined. Josh had so much talent that he was taken at #7 from a small football school. I admit that Josh could bust out. I mean it is possible. That said, his ceiling is the Empire State Building. Kirk Cousins is a fancy journeyman. No, I do not hope that Josh turns out as good as Cousins, but twice as good would seem almost OK. Well if Josh averages 34 TDs, 7 INTs, and 5,308 yards passing over the next two seasons, he will equal Dak's first four years.
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 20 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think Dak is criminally underrated by casual NFL fans. He was a top 5 QB in 2019. He had an outstanding year. He went 8-8 and didn’t make the playoffs besides the stats idk how you can say he had a outstanding year. He’s nothing without Elliott
GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: He went 8-8 and didn’t make the playoffs besides the stats idk how you can say he had a outstanding year. He’s nothing without Elliott I would say Dak had a better year than Zeke. 1
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I would say Dak had a better year than Zeke. But notice when he’s handing the ball off to Zeke more his INT rate is low. This year they had him throwing too much and his INT rate went higher. He threw 11 this year while he usually only throws 4-5 maybe 6 Max the last couple of years. My point is he’s not worth 45 million a year and Jones is a fool to even offer him this type of money. He’s a top 10-15 QB not top 5. Stats don’t mean squat if you can’t even get your team to the playoffs. Also the only reason dak had a better year than zeke is because Garrett stopped running the ball and was relying on Prescott’s arm too much Edited March 9, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998
Royale with Cheese Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, teef said: the mafia...is that the volunteer organization? I think so. You have to eat gabagool every day too.
T master Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 22 hours ago, njbuff said: Patrick Mahomes is going to make 60 mill a year at this rate. That's nuts !! This is getting way out of hand, to throw a freakin football sorry i know you all can & will call me a dum ass but where & when will it stop ? Sure these guys are special athletes & they work very hard to do what they do & are good at it but where does common sense & foolishness cross ? I could see it if they had figured out a cure for cancer, or MS, or something monumentally life changing for a ton of people but come on already sure he won a SB & could win more but what is that worth for real ? I just read this article & hope the owners are smart enough to not let this ever happen because it's IMHO just no worth it to pay some one this kind of cash to play a game ... It talks of Mahomes being allowed to take a percentage of the overall cap each year & that money is stupid money !! https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/09/patrick-mahomes-should-ask-for-a-percentage-of-the-cap/
ngbills Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 NFL If you want a better than average starter = two options. 1) Hit on draft pick and pay rookie contract. 2) Pay your draft pick or someone that hits free agency obscene money. Does not matter if that person is Mahomes, Jimmy G or Dak Prescott. Otherwise you rolling the dice with the Fitz, Tyrod or drafting a new QB every 4 years.
Gugny Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I’m not paying Dal $34m a year personally. Nor am I paying Cooper that either. Dak isn’t a top 5 QB, he’s not special IMO. Cooper isn’t even a top 10 WR. He’s good for a few big games with majority being mediocre or worse. Again neither is bad, and in fact would say both are even pretty good. I’m just saying I’m not gonna pay this duo a cap choking amount of money as if they were top 3 players at their positions. I don’t see them getting Dallas over the top. It’s one thing to pay one, but both is a bit too rich for me. Somebody will pay him. Then what's Dallas gonna do? Who they gonna replace him with? He's got "hand."
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