Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 3, 2020 Author Posted April 3, 2020 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Question for @Hapless Bills Fan...bout 3 weeks ago before the poop really hit the fan, doctor friend of ours came to dinner and as a joke back then brought by a couple of masks..n95 masks. couple of questions 1) I assume they are of no use to medical personel as they have been worn already...albeit just as a joke and only for a few minutes. 2) Should i wear them out when i goto the grocery? 3) Can i wear it more than once? 4) Can it be cleaned or sterilized in some manor? Thanks is=n advance for the info Here's the straight scoop - filtration media (including N95 masks) actually become MORE efficient with use, right up until the point where it's too gunked up to pull air through. Here's why: no matter what the stringency of manufacture, there will be bigger pores, and smaller pores. The bigger pores get more airflow through them, so they get blocked up first, leaving only smaller pores open What follows is what I do 1) If the N95 masks were worn already, the hospital won't accept them as a donation. They have no way of telling where it has been, so no one on the hospital wants it on their face (that said, I'd ask your Dr friend if he needs them back....you never know and you could save his life if his hospital is flat out) 2) I currently wear a mask anytime I go out where I have to step into a building with people - grocery, post office, hardware store, doctor visit. Mine isn't an N95, but it makes a seal and is better filtration than a medical mask (it's a 3M charcoal-layer dust mask) 3) I reuse it until the elastic breaks, then I put on new elastic and keep using it 4) I do not sanitize or sterilize it. Depending upon the details of the media used, it might become more fragile or lose integrity when wet, including with a disinfectant What I do is I remove the mask being careful not to touch the inside that contacts my face - I hold the mask against my face with one hand and pull the elastics to the front (in front of my hand). I set it in a Tupperware lined with a paper towel, being very careful not to touch the inside that contacts my face, and cover the Tupperware. Then I deglove (yeah, I wear gloves) and scrub or sanitize my hands. (if you wear glasses, taking off a mask becomes harder. Might need to remove glasses first or practice with a soft surface in front of you the glasses can safely land on) If several days have passed, I figure anything on the mask is dead. I'm not in regular contact with covid-19 patients building up a high titer on the surface of the mask, after all If I have to wear it again before several days have passed, I glove up, pick up the mask with care not to touch the inside and the elastics behind my hand, hold it against my face, and pull the elastics gently over my head. I position the mask so that I'm comfortable I have a good seal (glasses should not fog up when you exhale, if you're used to it you can just tell - warm air stays trapped around your nose and mouth, you feel firm contact against your face around the edges of the mask). I wash or sanitize my gloved hands, put my eyeglasses on, and go. LMK if questions 3 1
Bad Things Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: That is really an incredible sight. Un-friggin-believable. 1
Bad Things Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I feel very fortunate living in an isolated island nation right now.
plenzmd1 Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Here's the straight scoop - filtration media (including N95 masks) actually become MORE efficient with use, right up until the point where it's too gunked up to pull air through. Here's why: no matter what the stringency of manufacture, there will be bigger pores, and smaller pores. The bigger pores get more airflow through them, so they get blocked up first, leaving only smaller pores open What follows is what I do 1) If the N95 masks were worn already, the hospital won't accept them as a donation. They have no way of telling where it has been, so no one on the hospital wants it on their face (that said, I'd ask your Dr friend if he needs them back....you never know and you could save his life if his hospital is flat out) 2) I currently wear a mask anytime I go out where I have to step into a building with people - grocery, post office, hardware store, doctor visit. Mine isn't an N95, but it makes a seal and is better filtration than a medical mask (it's a 3M charcoal-layer dust mask) 3) I reuse it until the elastic breaks, then I put on new elastic and keep using it 4) I do not sanitize or sterilize it. Depending upon the details of the media used, it might become more fragile or lose integrity when wet, including with a disinfectant What I do is I remove the mask being careful not to touch the inside that contacts my face - I hold the mask against my face with one hand and pull the elastics to the front (in front of my hand). I set it in a Tupperware lined with a paper towel, being very careful not to touch the inside that contacts my face, and cover the Tupperware. Then I deglove (yeah, I wear gloves) and scrub or sanitize my hands. (if you wear glasses, taking off a mask becomes harder. Might need to remove glasses first or practice with a soft surface in front of you the glasses can safely land on) If several days have passed, I figure anything on the mask is dead. I'm not in regular contact with covid-19 patients building up a high titer on the surface of the mask, after all If I have to wear it again before several days have passed, I glove up, pick up the mask with care not to touch the inside and the elastics behind my hand, hold it against my face, and pull the elastics gently over my head. I position the mask so that I'm comfortable I have a good seal (glasses should not fog up when you exhale, if you're used to it you can just tell - warm air stays trapped around your nose and mouth, you feel firm contact against your face around the edges of the mask). I wash or sanitize my gloved hands, put my eyeglasses on, and go. LMK if questions TY, all great info
Cripple Creek Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 18 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Question for @Hapless Bills Fan...bout 3 weeks ago before the poop really hit the fan, doctor friend of ours came to dinner and as a joke back then brought by a couple of masks..n95 masks. couple of questions 1) I assume they are of no use to medical personel as they have been worn already...albeit just as a joke and only for a few minutes. 2) Should i wear them out when i goto the grocery? 3) Can i wear it more than once? 4) Can it be cleaned or sterilized in some manor? Thanks is=n advance for the info I know you didn't ask us, but, @Augie, @Gugny, @BringBackFergy & @CountryCletus are in full agreement. We'll be much happier if you wear the mask when you're around us. 1
Cripple Creek Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 Have a roll of those blue shop towels lying around? https://www.businessinsider.com.au/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4 2
plenzmd1 Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: I know you didn't ask us, but, @Augie, @Gugny, @BringBackFergy & @CountryCletus are in full agreement. We'll be much happier if you wear the mask when you're around us. What i need to wear is a blindfold and nose plug so i can neither see nor smell you chuckleheads! 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 4, 2020 Author Posted April 4, 2020 21 hours ago, Limeaid said: Why eye protection? Everything I have read is this virus is transmitted thru lungs. Not other orifices like eyes and ears. All the virus needs is contact with a mucous membrane - nose, mouth, eyes. That's why HCW wear eye protection. I don't think they know of any cases where they're certain the means of infection were through the eyes, but then, they have a lot of cases where the transmission is unknown, and certainly other viruses are known to be transmitted if you touch something contaminated then rub your eyes, adjust a contact or something. BTW advice is to NOT wear contacts for the duration, just for that reason - more frequent touching of eyes. Ears less likely. Maybe if you dip a cotton swab in virus laden particles and use it to clean ears. Some references:Standard World Health Organization advice: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-publicAvoid touching eyes, nose and mouth Why? Hands touch many surfaces and can pick up viruses. Once contaminated, hands can transfer the virus to your eyes, nose or mouth. From there, the virus can enter your body and can make you sick. https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/sickest-all-had-red-eyes-says-nurse-covid-19-15157170.php (25 March) A veteran registered nurse who treated COVID-19 patients in Washington state said the sickest all seemed to have one thing in common — redness around the eyes. "It's something that I witnessed in all of them. They have, like … allergy eyes. The white part of the eye is not red. It's more like they have red eye shadow on the outside of their eyes," Chelsey Earnest told CNN on Monday. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently does list conjunctivitis or eye redness as a symptom of COVID-19. "The American Academy of Ophthalmology (AAO) on Tuesday updated an alert warning that, based on several reports, SARS-CoV-2 may cause a “mild follicular conjunctivitis otherwise indistinguishable from other viral causes, and possibly be transmitted by aerosol contact with conjunctiva.”
Saxum Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: Have a roll of those blue shop towels lying around? https://www.businessinsider.com.au/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4 My wife used to be a professional tailor (she worked on some of swimsuits in SI Swimsuit issues) and still has machines. She said if I get her material she will try to make me one. 1
May Day 10 Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 Pretty good, thorough article on everything past, present, and futurehttps://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-out-of-many-one-36b886af37e9
Figster Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 Our local Sanders grocery store is offering to shop for senior citizens with payment over the the phone. Give them your list, they bag it up and bring it out to your car so you never have to come into contact with anyone. Got a little teary eyed reading about it in the paper. Grocery store clerks with Angel wings. God bless them all... 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 4, 2020 Author Posted April 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, Limeaid said: My wife used to be a professional tailor (she worked on some of swimsuits in SI Swimsuit issues) and still has machines. She said if I get her material she will try to make me one. Harbor Freight? Auto Store? 2 minutes ago, Figster said: Our local Sanders grocery store is offering to shop for senior citizens with payment over the the phone. Give them your list, they bag it up and bring it out to your car so you never have to come into contact with anyone. Got a little teary eyed reading about it in the paper. Grocery store clerks with Angel wings. God bless them all... The grocery store nearest my mother has been offering $5 delivery to the Seniors in her Senior Living since the start of this. Shop over the phone, they bag it up and deliver it to the carts placed between the doors. The concierge then brings it to the resident's door. 1
Saxum Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Harbor Freight? Auto Store? I think I saw them and Lowes and Home Depot although K-Mart used to sell them before they went bankrupt.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 4, 2020 Author Posted April 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I think I saw them and Lowes and Home Depot although K-Mart used to sell them before they went bankrupt. note that the ladies said all brands did not work as well
Saxum Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 4:12 PM, Limeaid said: Yes retail cost of chicken wings were too high. Hopefully prices will remain low enough long enough to buy some after we cleaned out some freezer space. My wife went to supermarket to get medication for my daughter and for her to apply for a job. Skinless chicken wings were on sale at $.99 a pound. I personally prefer skin on but since they will not be Buffalo Wings I guess it does not matter. My wife will probably make teriyaki wings since it is what my daughter likes.
Gray Beard Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) @Hapless Bills Fan This makes more sense... Cuomo is going to “ask” upstate hospitals to donate 20% of unused ventilators, with the goal of getting 500 total ventilators. https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/gov-cuomo-clarifies-plan-to-seize-ventilators-expects-to-get-500-statewide.html Edited April 4, 2020 by Gray Beard 1
Bad Things Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: My wife went to supermarket to get medication for my daughter and for her to apply for a job. Skinless chicken wings were on sale at $.99 a pound. I personally prefer skin on but since they will not be Buffalo Wings I guess it does not matter. My wife will probably make teriyaki wings since it is what my daughter likes. Skinless chicken wings? Never heard of such a thing.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 4, 2020 Author Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Gray Beard said: @Hapless Bills Fan This makes more sense... Cuomo is going to “ask” upstate hospitals to donate 20% of unused ventilators, with the goal of getting 500 total ventilators. https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/gov-cuomo-clarifies-plan-to-seize-ventilators-expects-to-get-500-statewide.html OK, more sense, but they still need to look at the case count as well as their testing criteria and the % positive. 2
Saxum Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, more sense, but they still need to look at the case count as well as their testing criteria and the % positive. Snow plows and medical supplies/equipment. What else will downstate need besides WNY's tax money. I have not lived in NY state since 1985 but I do not expect anything has changed. Most people in WNY I know would rather cut out the appendix called NYC (along with its cysts including Lon G'island). Maybe NJ and PA can contribute some counties as well. Merge it all with Connecticut so they do not need to redesign US flag unless they want to wait until PI joins union to make even number of states. 1
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