Bad Things Posted June 24, 2020 Posted June 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: I’ve been to my barber every week since this started. Neither of us have worn any type of face covering. My friends job is being hit pretty hard by covid. Half the employees have it and more are out sick. The longest their symptoms have lasted was a day and a half and the longest someone was out of work before being cleared by a dr was 5 days. None had any signs of anything in their lungs. They all thought they had a minor flu or food poisoning. They all laugh at everyone panicking over this. Shoot I see a few Dr’s a week and they all say it’s complete bull#### to close stuff down. Same thing with all my family members in health care A few of them work on the “covid floor” at their respective hospitals. They can’t believe the world is shut down for this. I had the pleasure of watching three microbiologists argue about covid. The one that just graduated from UB is the only one taking it serious. The other two just kinda laughed and provided examples of why this is all an over reaction over pretty much nothing. The UB student was gung ho about this being the end of the world and the experienced ones didn’t care about it at all. Sounds like you surround yourself with pretty ignorant people. Well done! 1 1
Bad Things Posted June 25, 2020 Posted June 25, 2020 https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300041975/coming-back-and-biting-us-us-sees-coronavirus-resurgence-with-highest-singleday-total
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 25, 2020 Author Posted June 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: I’ve been to my barber every week since this started. Neither of us have worn any type of face covering. My friends job is being hit pretty hard by covid. Half the employees have it and more are out sick. The longest their symptoms have lasted was a day and a half and the longest someone was out of work before being cleared by a dr was 5 days. None had any signs of anything in their lungs. They all thought they had a minor flu or food poisoning. They all laugh at everyone panicking over this. Shoot I see a few Dr’s a week and they all say it’s complete bull#### to close stuff down. Same thing with all my family members in health care A few of them work on the “covid floor” at their respective hospitals. They can’t believe the world is shut down for this. I had the pleasure of watching three microbiologists argue about covid. The one that just graduated from UB is the only one taking it serious. The other two just kinda laughed and provided examples of why this is all an over reaction over pretty much nothing. The UB student was gung ho about this being the end of the world and the experienced ones didn’t care about it at all. Decisions, Decisions. Who to believe - the doctors I know who got slammed in Atlanta and St Louis? The doctor I know who practices in Shenzen, China? My friends working in NYC who saw the refrigerated trucks? My daughter's roommate who was studying abroad in Spain at the height of their epidemic and got a ringside seat to what it was like? My friend whose police officer brother and whose nursing home confined father both contracted covid-19 (they're fine) and whose nursing home here has been totally (and without any media coverage) devastated by it? WHO, CDC, FDA, Worldometer, JHU, My own science background and a mountain of specialized peer reviewed publications I read? Nah, I think I'll believe some dude on the internet who tells me "a few Drs a week all say it's complete bull#### to close stuff down" and he saw a couple of microbiologists argue. Yeah, that makes sense. If you can't contribute except by hyping up your anecdotal experience as though it's equivalent to everyone else, then talking about "sheep" and baaing at people: Somewhere Else, Not Here. 2 1 1
Gray Beard Posted June 25, 2020 Posted June 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Decisions, Decisions. Who to believe - the doctors I know who got slammed in Atlanta and St Louis? The doctor I know who practices in Shenzen, China? My friends working in NYC who saw the refrigerated trucks? My daughter's roommate who was studying abroad in Spain at the height of their epidemic and got a ringside seat to what it was like? My friend whose police officer brother and whose nursing home confined father both contracted covid-19 (they're fine) and whose nursing home here has been totally (and without any media coverage) devastated by it? WHO, CDC, FDA, Worldometer, JHU, My own science background and a mountain of specialized peer reviewed publications I read? Nah, I think I'll believe some dude on the internet who tells me "a few Drs a week all say it's complete bull#### to close stuff down" and he saw a couple of microbiologists argue. Yeah, that makes sense. If you can't contribute except by hyping up your anecdotal experience as though it's equivalent to everyone else, then talking about "sheep" and baaing at people: Somewhere Else, Not Here. My son the nurse sat with his one of his high school math teachers, held her hand, hugged her, cried with her as her husband lay dying on the other side of the window. 3
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 25, 2020 Author Posted June 25, 2020 Just now, Gray Beard said: My son the nurse sat with his one of his high school math teachers, held her hand, hugged her, cried with her as her husband lay dying on the other side of the window. Being a physician or nurse through this is hella tough. 4
DCOrange Posted June 25, 2020 Posted June 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Gray Beard said: My son the nurse sat with his one of his high school math teachers, held her hand, hugged her, cried with her as her husband lay dying on the other side of the window. One of my family friends had no underlying reasons to think he should be at-risk. Ended up getting Covid and was put up in ICU for two months without being able to see any family or friends or anything. They thought for sure that he was going to die, but he thankfully has recovered and is now learning how to walk again. Obviously some people have been fortunate enough to not show many/any symptoms. Some have had what's pretty much a hellacious flu. But some like our family friend have been devastated or worse by it. It's scary stuff. 2
BillsFan4 Posted June 25, 2020 Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Decisions, Decisions. Who to believe - the doctors I know who got slammed in Atlanta and St Louis? The doctor I know who practices in Shenzen, China? My friends working in NYC who saw the refrigerated trucks? My daughter's roommate who was studying abroad in Spain at the height of their epidemic and got a ringside seat to what it was like? My friend whose police officer brother and whose nursing home confined father both contracted covid-19 (they're fine) and whose nursing home here has been totally (and without any media coverage) devastated by it? WHO, CDC, FDA, Worldometer, JHU, My own science background and a mountain of specialized peer reviewed publications I read? Nah, I think I'll believe some dude on the internet who tells me "a few Drs a week all say it's complete bull#### to close stuff down" and he saw a couple of microbiologists argue. Yeah, that makes sense. If you can't contribute except by hyping up your anecdotal experience as though it's equivalent to everyone else, then talking about "sheep" and baaing at people: Somewhere Else, Not Here. Yeah, I could share some nightmare stories I’ve heard about covid from my friends & family in healthcare. Edited June 25, 2020 by BillsFan4
BillsFan4 Posted June 25, 2020 Posted June 25, 2020 https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/far-uvc-light-safely-kills-airborne-coronaviruses Quote More than 99.9% of seasonal coronaviruses present in airborne droplets were killed when exposed to a particular wavelength of ultraviolet light that is safe to use around humans, a new study at Columbia University Irving Medical Center has found. “Based on our results, continuous airborne disinfection with far-UVC light at the current regulatory limit could greatly reduce the level of airborne virus in indoor environments occupied by people,” says the study’s lead author David Brenner, PhD, Higgins Professor of Radiation Biophysics at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons and director of the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University Irving Medical Center. The research was published today in Scientific Reports. 2
Saxum Posted June 25, 2020 Posted June 25, 2020 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Being a physician or nurse through this is hella tough. Some are as bad as some posters here. When bars were opened in one state the nurse said with all of her effort treating COVID-19 and her children she deserved a break with her friends and went to a legally opened bar which was packed and no one was wearing masks. After being identified by press she said she should have work a mask and sell quarantined for a week. I winder if she kissed her kids with that mouth. 7 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/far-uvc-light-safely-kills-airborne-coronaviruses A number of companies were advertising about this 2 months ago. There are already commercial robots which clean via ultra-violet light.
KD in CA Posted June 28, 2020 Posted June 28, 2020 From today's NY Times. While the article doesn't connect those dots, this kinda puts a dent in the 'politicians ignored the science' and 'why didn't we shut down sooner' narrative. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/world/europe/coronavirus-spread-asymptomatic.html
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 29, 2020 Author Posted June 29, 2020 This is from the ER-physician friend of a physician friend in Atlanta, GA Nobody likes to wear masks, OK? Masks suck. They're uncomfortable in hot weather. But all the crapola about they restrict oxygen and build up CO2 is just that. Surgeons and OR nurses routinely wear them for hours at a time during long surgeries 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 29, 2020 Posted June 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is from the ER-physician friend of a physician friend in Atlanta, GA Nobody likes to wear masks, OK? Masks suck. They're uncomfortable in hot weather. But all the crapola about they restrict oxygen and build up CO2 is just that. Surgeons and OR nurses routinely wear them for hours at a time during long surgeries ...sadly it was a safe assumption IMO that the "non-compliant, defiant, renegade.....et al" segment of society would do just that........100,000 deaths.....1,000,000 deaths......doesn't matter.....they're immune and invincible......haven't let us down either....SMH............
BillsFan4 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 https://www.wxxinews.org/post/ny-reported-only-5-covid-19-deaths-saturday-cuomo-saysNY reported only 5 COVID-19 deaths Saturday Great news! Quote Only five people died from COVID-19 in New York Saturday, marking the first time since the peak of the disease in April that the daily number of deaths statewide dropped to single digits, following several weeks of decline. ^ This is the real goal. Not just to keep hospitals from being overrun (a very low bar in my book). The real goal should be to stop so many people from dying every day from this virus. To suppress the spread. Quote Hospitalizations from the disease also dropped Saturday, bringing the total number of people requiring treatment for the disease down to 869. Of those, 145 are intubated. The numbers have continued to trend in a positive direction in recent weeks, but New York isn’t out of the woods yet: 616 new cases of the coronavirus were diagnosed Saturday out of 61,906 tests conducted statewide. All but two regions of the state reported a decline in the share of positive cases out of those tested Saturday. The Mohawk Valley and North Country reported a slight uptick, according to the data. The bold shows that more testing doesn’t automatically have to = rising case numbers. Yes, you want to test and find more cases, but the ultimate reason for more testing is to get the positive case numbers trending Down, not Up. If you’re testing more and just keep finding more and more and more cases, you’re doing something wrong. You have to give NY credit for the way they’ve handled the largest outbreak (so far) in the country. It’s a shame all 50 states aren’t in the same position. I feel like they (more/less) could be if they had just followed the same guidelines NY did. There doesn’t seem to be any magic secret. Just follow the CDC guidelines for reopening, wear masks and social distance. 1
plenzmd1 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: https://www.wxxinews.org/post/ny-reported-only-5-covid-19-deaths-saturday-cuomo-saysYou have to give NY credit for the way they’ve handled the largest outbreak (so far) in the country. It’s a shame all 50 states aren’t in the same position. I feel like they (more/less) could be if they had just followed the same guidelines NY did. There doesn’t seem to be any magic secret. Just follow the CDC guidelines for reopening, wear masks and social distance. Hmm, expect some blowback on that statement. Warranted in my mind, but will leave my response to the PPP board, as i believe this belongs there as well. You should go there, ignore a bunch of the idiots, but the Covid thread( again, minus the trolls) discussion and articles on Covid are actually quite good and informative. BTW, i can help with who to put on ignore LOL! Edited June 30, 2020 by plenzmd1
BillsFan4 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Hmm, expect some blowback on that statement. Warranted in my mind, but will leave my response to the PPP board, as i believe this belongs there as well. You should go there, ignore a bunch of the idiots, but the Covid thread( again, minus the trolls) discussion and articles on Covid are actually quite good and informative. BTW, i can help with who to put on ignore LOL! I was talking about how they’ve suppressed their outbreak, not how they got it in March. Mistakes were definitely made early on. There’s no denying that.
spartacus Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: https://www.wxxinews.org/post/ny-reported-only-5-covid-19-deaths-saturday-cuomo-saysNY reported only 5 COVID-19 deaths Saturday Great news! You have to give NY credit for the way they’ve handled the largest outbreak (so far) in the country. I no cases and only 5 dead sounds like NY should be re-opened
plenzmd1 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: I was talking about how they’ve suppressed their outbreak, not how they got it in March. Mistakes were definitely made early on. There’s no denying that. One can conservatively say Cuomo executive order to force nursing homes to take still positive cases in cost at a minimum 4300 deaths, and some think closer to 19,000 deaths....even at 4300 deaths more than other state in the country outside of New Jersey and PA. That order was 100% on Cuomo..no one else. https://www.businessinsider.com/cuomo-executive-order-4300-recovering-coronavirus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-2020-5 He gives great press conferences compared to Trump, no doubt. But numbers and outcomes are numbers and outcomes, and one just cannot argue he cost more lives in this pandemic than any other single person in the US with that order. Now that states like TX and FLA are getting their first wave, he is taking a victory lap which is quite disturbing to me .
BillsFan4 Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: One can conservatively say Cuomo executive order to force nursing homes to take still positive cases in cost at a minimum 4300 deaths, and some think closer to 19,000 deaths....even at 4300 deaths more than other state in the country outside of New Jersey and PA. That order was 100% on Cuomo..no one else. https://www.businessinsider.com/cuomo-executive-order-4300-recovering-coronavirus-patients-ny-nursing-homes-2020-5 He gives great press conferences compared to Trump, no doubt. But numbers and outcomes are numbers and outcomes, and one just cannot argue he cost more lives in this pandemic than any other single person in the US with that order. Now that states like TX and FLA are getting their first wave, he is taking a victory lap which is quite disturbing to me . That was part of what I was talking about when I said mistakes were made early. My post was on how they suppressed the spread of this virus. And this subject has already been addressed multiple times in this thread. It was not 100% on Cuomo. It was a federal policy that was issued at the time. So there is blame to be shared. Link: :https://www.cms.gov/files/document/3-13-2020-nursing-home-guidance-covid-19.pdf Quote When should nursing homes consider transferring a resident with suspected or confirmed infection with COVID-19 to a hospital? Nursing homes with residents suspected of having COVID-19 infection should contact their local health department. Residents infected with COVID-19 may vary in severity from lack of symptoms to mild or severe symptoms or fatality. Initially, symptoms may be mild and not require transfer to a hospital as long as the facility can follow the infection prevention and control practices recommended by CDC. Facilities without an airborne infection isolation room (AIIR) are not required to transfer the resident assuming: 1) the resident does not require a higher level of care and 2) the facility can adhere to the rest of the infection prevention and control practices recommended for caring for a resident with COVID-19. Please check the following link regularly for critical updates, such as updates to guidance for using PPE: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infection-control/control- recommendations.html. The resident may develop more severe symptoms and require transfer to a hospital for a higher level of care. Prior to transfer, emergency medical services and the receiving facility should be alerted to the resident’s diagnosis, and precautions to be taken including placing a facemask on the resident during transfer. If the resident does not require hospitalization they can be discharged to home (in consultation with state or local public health authorities) if deemed medically and socially appropriate. Pending transfer or discharge, place a facemask on the resident and isolate him/her in a room with the door closed.When should a nursing home accept a resident who was diagnosed with COVID-19 from a hospital? A nursing home can accept a resident diagnosed with COVID-19 and still under Transmission- Based Precautions for COVID-19 as long as the facility can follow CDC guidance for Transmission-Based Precautions. If a nursing home cannot, it must wait until these precautions are discontinued. CDC has released Interim Guidance for Discontinuing Transmission-Based Precautions or In-Home Isolation for Persons with Laboratory-confirmed COVID-19. Information on the duration of infectivity is limited, and the interim guidance has been developed with available information from similar coronaviruses. CDC states that decisions to discontinue Transmission-based Precautions in hospitals will be made on a case-by-case basis in consultation with clinicians, infection prevention and control specialists, and public health officials. Discontinuation will be based on multiple factors (see current CDC guidance for further details). Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to long-stay original room). and here is part of one of Hapless’s posts on nursing homes: Quote The problem was releasing people who did not require hospitalization, but who may still be infectious. Those who had homes, went home; those who lived in nursing homes, went back there. And yes, it was stupid, and yes it undoubtedly contributed to the spread of covid-19 in some facilities; in most, covid-19 was already in the facility and spreading, sometimes from a patient who was not known to have covid-19 and was transferred back, while testing was still severely limited. But again, my point was how they have reopened and what they’ve done to suppress the spread of this virus that has worked. Obviously no state should be sending contagious Covid patients back to nursing homes. It was a mistake and should not be repeated. Nor should any of the other mistakes NYS made (of which there were numerous, especially early on). But shouldn’t we also learn from what NYS has done right? And I’m not sure I’d say that Florida is getting their first wave. They had over 27,000 cases back in April. They had their first cases back in early March. They shut down once already for coronavirus. This current spike seems to be related to how they reopened. Florida coronavirus timeline: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/03/20/timeline-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-florida/ Edited June 30, 2020 by BillsFan4 1 1
Bad Things Posted June 30, 2020 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, spartacus said: no cases and only 5 dead sounds like NY should be re-opened Yeah, go for it. What could possibly go wrong? Edited June 30, 2020 by Bad Things
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