teef Posted July 1, 2020 Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said: A nurse from kenmore mercy was out running with her dog at the park when she was home sick with covid. She nonchalantly said a bunch of nurses and employees had it and went on her way. Now I didn’t physically see her positive result. But she was “home” for 3 weeks and her neighbor said same thing. So they’re not taking it very serious in Buffalo. I’m not just coming here making stuff to try and get bad things to call my family and I names. I’m repeating what I hear or am told. Some I wasn’t supposed to hear and was told not to repeat. Some they said they don’t care who hears. You don’t have to believe me(goes for anyone). There’s an ignore feature for a reason. I apologize if I get out of line or defensive but I’m honestly just repeating what i heard, that and I ask a lot of questions. i don't think you're out of line. we all have opinions of this. let me ask...why do you think this is still being made a big deal. the white house hasn't had a press conference in two months, yet last week pence decides to hold a conference and they bring fauci back to address this. do you think this administration would have done that if there's not a serious problem going on now? there's been no direction on the federal level, and now they're suddenly concerned? also, how do you think this should be handled? should we just ignore it and go on with life as usual? 2
Warcodered Posted July 1, 2020 Posted July 1, 2020 50 minutes ago, Bad Things said: Well, if that's the case, then there shouldn't be any surprise why America leads the world in infections and deaths.
Not at the table Karlos Posted July 1, 2020 Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, teef said: i don't think you're out of line. we all have opinions of this. let me ask...why do you think this is still being made a big deal. the white house hasn't had a press conference in two months, yet last week pence decides to hold a conference and they bring fauci back to address this. do you think this administration would have done that if there's not a serious problem going on now? there's been no direction on the federal level, and now they're suddenly concerned? also, how do you think this should be handled? should we just ignore it and go on with life as usual? I don’t have a clue why this administration does anything it does. If it wasn’t world wide I would say it’s some political thing between Republicans and Democrats but it is world wide so idk. Everything is so screwed up in politics I don’t even try anymore. The info seems to be all over the place so I’ll just go based on what happened to me. I had it at end of January/early February. Tested for antibodies a while after and I have them (I donated blood).Couple months later Im baby sitting my friends kids and come to find out later they all have covid and I was with them during the prime contagious period. I get tested again and I’m negative even though I was in middle of 5 people that all had it one kid crying and breathing right in my face no mask. So if what happened to me is what happens to everyone(I don’t think it is) I would say treat it like chicken pox and your kid didn’t get it yet and go get it at your neighbors so you can get it over with. But I’ve read that antibodies can diminish over time so that could be bad. No idea which week that was true, changes all the time. Other thing is quarantine people that are at risk. Elderly, immunodeficiency or anyone at risk. Keep them inside or throw them all in nursing homes cuomo style. I get that it’s tough because you don’t know who has it because could be 2 weeks to show signs. I don’t believe the death rate because at the beginning they were only testing the extremely ill and sending everyone else home. I was one of the ones sent home and found later to have it by antibodies. If you only test people on brink of death you’re gonna find a bunch of people on the brink of death. Also my uncle died of a heart attack and was tested for covid after he passed found very little bit so his death was listed as covid at the time. Since then it was changed to heart attack. the death rate is what’s scaring everyone along with the media. Once even wider spread testing is done I’m sure the death rate and serious case numbers will plummet well before a vaccine arrives.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 2, 2020 Author Posted July 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Other thing is quarantine people that are at risk. Elderly, immunodeficiency or anyone at risk. Keep them inside or throw them all in nursing homes cuomo style. I get that it’s tough because you don’t know who has it because could be 2 weeks to show signs. Reading stuff like this makes me truly, deeply angry. Nothing personal at you, @Not at the table Karlos. I read this kind of thing a lot. Stay with me if you can... Here's the thing. Nursing home, assisted living, senior living folks don't live in a vacuum. They require care and services. Who is caring for them? They don't have a lot of contact with nurses and they might see a doctor every couple of months. It's largely aides of various sorts. Personal assistance bathing/dressing. Even Senior Living, they need groceries, they need help with cleaning and laundry, maybe medication reminders or setup etc. The aides aren't payed well. They may not get sick time - our gov't exempted Nursing Home and Hospitals from having to provide sick pay when they passed the Families First covid act. They don't get paid time off to quarantine or isolate - no work, no pay. They traditionally dope themselves up on tylenol and nyquil and work anyway. Other countries provide these things by the way. So now we have all these elders, sheltering in place, TOTALLY isolated from their families and friends - and still at high risk from the people who are supposed to care for them. AND THEY'RE STILL GETTING SICK AND STILL GONNA GET SICK. Arizona's AARP director is mad - says nursing home covid cases are spiking and the governor is "Ghosting" them, won't address gaps. Has just testified before congress. What she has to say seems Stump Simple and I can't imagine who would disagree: AARP is calling on Congress and the Administration to take immediate action to stem the continued loss of life and improve conditions in these facilities. Kennedy urged action on a 5-point plan to address the COVID-19 crisis in the nation’s long-term care facilities, including: Ensuring access to personal protective equipment and testing Ensuring adequate staff and access for long-term care ombudsmen Ensuring transparency of information on COVID-19 cases and data, transfer and discharge rights, and use of provider relief funds Requiring facilities to provide and facilitate virtual visitation Rejecting proposals to grant immunity related to COVID -19 to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities Wants testing. Wants PPE. Wants staff. Wants SOMEONE to be able to get in and check on things, since families excluded. Wants info on WTF is going on with regard to covid-19. And she's not even "going there" with regard to paid sick leave and paid isolation time. 4 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: I don’t believe the death rate because at the beginning they were only testing the extremely ill and sending everyone else home. I was one of the ones sent home and found later to have it by antibodies. If you only test people on brink of death you’re gonna find a bunch of people on the brink of death. Also my uncle died of a heart attack and was tested for covid after he passed found very little bit so his death was listed as covid at the time. Since then it was changed to heart attack. the death rate is what’s scaring everyone along with the media. Once even wider spread testing is done I’m sure the death rate and serious case numbers will plummet well before a vaccine arrives. You're absolutely correct that when covid-19 first hit here and in Italy, they were testing only a few people and a death rate of 13-15% was way too high. There's a lot more testing now, and the worldwide death rate is still 4.8%. That's probably still too high, as it does include a bunch of countries with limited testing. We might look at a country like S. Korea, which does extensive testing and contact tracing and has from the start. They have an overall positive test rate of 0.9%, meaning they test 100 people to find 1 case (it's currently much lower than that). We can probably assume they are catching most of their infections, agree? They don't just test extremely ill, they don't even just test people with symptoms, for every case they track down everyone who was anywhere near that person and test them all. So here's the thing: S Korea 282 deaths out of 12,904 cases (country population 51 million). That doesn't sound like a lot, but it's 2.2%, which is about 10x higher than influenza. If 40% of the US population eventually gets covid, it would mean 1.91M people die. Even if the true death rate is only 1% that's 1M people. That's a lot of Americans. Even if it's primarily older Americans, that's a lot of beloved grandies and gramps, Veterans and hard working peoples. So it ticks me off when people say stuff that sounds like they're dissing off all these beloved elders as though they're all at death's door and it's NBD if they die. And it's NOT just elderly people who die. In relatively limited data available so far, 1 out of 5 deaths is in the 45-64 year old age group. Preexisting conditions? Sure, but high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, heart disease - a LOT of people have those, about half the US by my count. And some people without known preexisting conditions still get very very sick for a long time. I hear this from every doctor who is working with covid-19 patients. So we don't fully know exactly what makes people "high risk" yet. We tell people "go quarantine yourself" because you're >65, or have high BP, or obesity, or diabetes - well, that's A LOT of folks. Kind of hard to get the economy rolling again with all those people tucked in, y'know? 4 1
Not at the table Karlos Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 56 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Reading stuff like this makes me truly, deeply angry. Nothing personal at you, @Not at the table Karlos. I read this kind of thing a lot. Stay with me if you can... Here's the thing. Nursing home, assisted living, senior living folks don't live in a vacuum. They require care and services. Who is caring for them? They don't have a lot of contact with nurses and they might see a doctor every couple of months. It's largely aides of various sorts. Personal assistance bathing/dressing. Even Senior Living, they need groceries, they need help with cleaning and laundry, maybe medication reminders or setup etc. The aides aren't payed well. They may not get sick time - our gov't exempted Nursing Home and Hospitals from having to provide sick pay when they passed the Families First covid act. They don't get paid time off to quarantine or isolate - no work, no pay. They traditionally dope themselves up on tylenol and nyquil and work anyway. Other countries provide these things by the way. So now we have all these elders, sheltering in place, TOTALLY isolated from their families and friends - and still at high risk from the people who are supposed to care for them. AND THEY'RE STILL GETTING SICK AND STILL GONNA GET SICK. Arizona's AARP director is mad - says nursing home covid cases are spiking and the governor is "Ghosting" them, won't address gaps. Has just testified before congress. What she has to say seems Stump Simple and I can't imagine who would disagree: AARP is calling on Congress and the Administration to take immediate action to stem the continued loss of life and improve conditions in these facilities. Kennedy urged action on a 5-point plan to address the COVID-19 crisis in the nation’s long-term care facilities, including: Ensuring access to personal protective equipment and testing Ensuring adequate staff and access for long-term care ombudsmen Ensuring transparency of information on COVID-19 cases and data, transfer and discharge rights, and use of provider relief funds Requiring facilities to provide and facilitate virtual visitation Rejecting proposals to grant immunity related to COVID -19 to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities Wants testing. Wants PPE. Wants staff. Wants SOMEONE to be able to get in and check on things, since families excluded. Wants info on WTF is going on with regard to covid-19. And she's not even "going there" with regard to paid sick leave and paid isolation time. You're absolutely correct that when covid-19 first hit here and in Italy, they were testing only a few people and a death rate of 13-15% was way too high. There's a lot more testing now, and the worldwide death rate is still 4.8%. That's probably still too high, as it does include a bunch of countries with limited testing. We might look at a country like S. Korea, which does extensive testing and contact tracing and has from the start. They have an overall positive test rate of 0.9%, meaning they test 100 people to find 1 case (it's currently much lower than that). We can probably assume they are catching most of their infections, agree? They don't just test extremely ill, they don't even just test people with symptoms, for every case they track down everyone who was anywhere near that person and test them all. So here's the thing: S Korea 282 deaths out of 12,904 cases (country population 51 million). That doesn't sound like a lot, but it's 2.2%, which is about 10x higher than influenza. If 40% of the US population eventually gets covid, it would mean 1.91M people die. Even if the true death rate is only 1% that's 1M people. That's a lot of Americans. Even if it's primarily older Americans, that's a lot of beloved grandies and gramps, Veterans and hard working peoples. So it ticks me off when people say stuff that sounds like they're dissing off all these beloved elders as though they're all at death's door and it's NBD if they die. And it's NOT just elderly people who die. In relatively limited data available so far, 1 out of 5 deaths is in the 45-64 year old age group. Preexisting conditions? Sure, but high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, heart disease - a LOT of people have those, about half the US by my count. And some people without known preexisting conditions still get very very sick for a long time. I hear this from every doctor who is working with covid-19 patients. So we don't fully know exactly what makes people "high risk" yet. We tell people "go quarantine yourself" because you're >65, or have high BP, or obesity, or diabetes - well, that's A LOT of folks. Kind of hard to get the economy rolling again with all those people tucked in, y'know? Do what NY governor did and send the sick to nursing homes. I still can’t believe that was acceptable. It’s a tough situation all around. No one is on the same page. One state says one thing and the next says something else. One govt agency says one thing and the next says something completely different. If everyone was on same page and had same restrictions I feel something could be figured out but right now it seems like monkeys flinging stuff at the wall hoping it sticks. Quarantining the elderly or sick wouldn’t work for the reasons you listed. I’m most likely in the group that would be quarantined and I’m out of my house everyday. The antibodies I’m very curious in. If they last a while they should(at least in my case) prevent some type of re-infection. I was first tested for them in March iirc and had them. I was exposed to covid again three weeks ago and tested negative. So dr thinks they’re still there which would be big because there was thought that they went away after a month or two.
BillsFan4 Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Do what NY governor did and send the sick to nursing homes. I still can’t believe that was acceptable. I just addressed this issue yesterday in this thread. My post on it is 2 pages back. it was federal policy. Here’s the link: https://www.cms.gov/files/document/3-13-2020-nursing-home-guidance-covid-19.pdf Bottom of page 4. Quote When should a nursing home accept a resident who was diagnosed with COVID-19 from a hospital? A nursing home can accept a resident diagnosed with COVID-19 and still under Transmission- Based Precautions for COVID-19 as long as the facility can follow CDC guidance for Transmission-Based Precautions. If a nursing home cannot, it must wait until these precautions are discontinued. CDC has released Interim Guidance for Discontinuing Transmission-Based Precautions or In-Home Isolation for Persons with Laboratory-confirmed COVID-19. Information on the duration of infectivity is limited, and the interim guidance has been developed with available information from similar coronaviruses. CDC states that decisions to discontinue Transmission-based Precautions in hospitals will be made on a case-by-case basis in consultation with clinicians, infection prevention and control specialists, and public health officials. Discontinuation will be based on multiple factors (see current CDC guidance for further details). And most of the nursing homes already had covid outbreaks before the patients were sent back there (how do you think someone living in a nursing home got covid in the 1st place, to be sent to the hospital for it?) Edited July 2, 2020 by BillsFan4
BillsFan4 Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: A nurse from kenmore mercy was out running with her dog at the park when she was home sick with covid. She nonchalantly said a bunch of nurses and employees had it and went on her way. Now I didn’t physically see her positive result. But she was “home” for 3 weeks and her neighbor said same thing. So they’re not taking it very serious in Buffalo. I’m not just coming here making stuff to try and get bad things to call my family and I names. I’m repeating what I hear or am told. Some I wasn’t supposed to hear and was told not to repeat. Some they said they don’t care who hears. You don’t have to believe me(goes for anyone). There’s an ignore feature for a reason. I apologize if I get out of line or defensive but I’m honestly just repeating what i heard, that and I ask a lot of questions. I don’t think you’re lying or anything. And no need to apologize. I know I can get defensive as well. I don’t mean to. I guess some of it just comes down to what people experience for themselves. If you had a mild case, and the people you know had mild cases (or if you’ve dealt with limited + mild cases as a doctor/nurse), you’re probably more likely to think this virus isn’t serious. I’m not discounting your experience, but there are many people with a much different experience than yours. I don’t think it would be right to share some of the stories I’ve been told (and I wouldn’t really feel comfortable doing so anyway) but I will say I have an ex I’m close with who works in a hospital in NYC that’s dealt with a lot of coronavirus and she tells me some horror stories. She’s having a tough time dealing with everything she’s seen. I feel so terrible for her. It breaks my heart. I wish there was more I could do for her. Without getting into too much detail, she’s told me about patients with all sorts of issues from this virus - severe swelling, seizures, strokes, blood clots, heart attacks, lesions, rashes, organ failure (esp. kidneys), etc. And these are not all elderly patients either. Many are in their 40’s and 50’s (and some in their 20’s and 30’s). She’s still dealing with patients that have ongoing health issues from getting this virus back in March. I have 3 family members who work at hospitals and/or medical facilities in MA. My cousin is the director at one. They’ve all said this is like nothing they’ve ever seen before. Again, some of the stories I’ve heard are terrible. Another cousins husband works at a hospital. She said he’s scared to death to get this virus from what he’s seen of it. Said he wakes up sick every morning from nerves/worry, but wouldn’t feel right quitting/leaving. So he goes in every day and does his job. Brave (IMO). Same goes for a friend who works in healthcare in MI. I have another dr. friend in NYC. He’s 65. He came out of retirement to help (even though many asked him not to, including me). He said these are some of the sickest patients he’s ever dealt with in his career (he owned a private practice). My best friend’s wife works at a hospital designated for covid. She has been staying at a motel since April out of fear of infecting her husband and their young child. I have family in NYC who know quite a few hit pretty hard by this virus. None were over 65. One of my cousin’s son’s friends (from his hockey team) is in the hospital. My friend’s 45yr old neighbor, who was an avid runner, died from this virus. He was in the hospital for over a month and unfortunately passed. My next door neighbor had a number of her family members get very sick with covid. Her young niece was in the hospital for 3 weeks. I could go on. There are also similar stories from doctors and nurses all over the Internet too. Did you ever see any of the videos from inside covid wards? Or the “a day in the life of a healthcare worker” videos that have been put out? I agree about WNY though. I know a lot of people here who aren’t taking this virus seriously. I moved back to WNY a while ago and it seems like all the people I talk to from elsewhere are all taking things more seriously. But living in WNY I obviously talk to more people here than those other places, so it’s not really a fair comparison. But there are definitely doctors here taking it serious. You mentioned Roswell. I can tell you that they are taking it very serious there (they have to), as you probably know from the screening procedure you have to go through to enter the building (have temp. taken, take off old mask, sanitize hands, put on quality surgical mask provided by Roswell and leave it on the entire time, answer numerous screening questions, no visitor access to certain floors, cleaning+sanitizing around the clock). The director there is taking every precaution they can. Roswell actually volunteered to be one of the trial hospitals to start allowing visitors again because they were so confident in their safety procedures. They have only dealt with a few total covid cases (iirc it was 3) and that was pretty early on in the pandemic. They were able to keep it contained to those few patients. It didn’t spread to anyone else in the hospital. So their experience with covid is somewhat limited. Anyway... best wishes on whatever your facing! I hope all goes well for you. You’ll be in my thoughts. 1
shoshin Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: A nurse from kenmore mercy was out running with her dog at the park when she was home sick with covid. She nonchalantly said a bunch of nurses and employees had it and went on her way. Now I didn’t physically see her positive result. But she was “home” for 3 weeks and her neighbor said same thing. So they’re not taking it very serious in Buffalo. I’m not just coming here making stuff to try and get bad things to call my family and I names. I’m repeating what I hear or am told. Some I wasn’t supposed to hear and was told not to repeat. Some they said they don’t care who hears. You don’t have to believe me(goes for anyone). There’s an ignore feature for a reason. I apologize if I get out of line or defensive but I’m honestly just repeating what i heard, that and I ask a lot of questions. I heard that my cousin's friend was on an elevator and this guy said "hit the floor" and then everybody got on the ground because they thought the guy was going to kill them. Turned out it was Reggie Jackson. He felt so bad that he sent them roses the next day. Just what I heard. Edited July 2, 2020 by shoshin
Gray Beard Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 https://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-students-throwing-covid-parties-infected-officials/story?id=71552514 Students in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 have been attending parties in the city and surrounding area as part of a disturbing contest to see who can catch the virus first, a city council member told ABC News on Wednesday. Tuscaloosa City Councilor Sonya McKinstry said students have been organizing "COVID parties" as a game to intentionally infect each other with the contagion that has killed more than 127,000 people in the United States. She said she recently learned of the behavior and informed the city council of the parties occurring in the city. She said the organizers of the parties are purposely inviting guests who have COVID-19. "They put money in a pot and they try to get COVID. Whoever gets COVID first gets the pot. It makes no sense," McKinstry said. "They're intentionally doing it." 1
K-9 Posted July 2, 2020 Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Gray Beard said: https://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-students-throwing-covid-parties-infected-officials/story?id=71552514 Students in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 have been attending parties in the city and surrounding area as part of a disturbing contest to see who can catch the virus first, a city council member told ABC News on Wednesday. Tuscaloosa City Councilor Sonya McKinstry said students have been organizing "COVID parties" as a game to intentionally infect each other with the contagion that has killed more than 127,000 people in the United States. She said she recently learned of the behavior and informed the city council of the parties occurring in the city. She said the organizers of the parties are purposely inviting guests who have COVID-19. "They put money in a pot and they try to get COVID. Whoever gets COVID first gets the pot. It makes no sense," McKinstry said. "They're intentionally doing it." A famous Alabaman once said, “Stupid is as stupid does.” 3 1
Brit Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 3:41 PM, BillsFan4 said: Another cousins husband works at a hospital. She said he’s scared to death to get this virus from what he’s seen of it. Said he wakes up sick every morning from nerves/worry, but wouldn’t feel right quitting/leaving. So he goes in every day and does his job. Brave (IMO). Pretty much the definition of brave. Be scared of doing something with real risk, and then doing it anyway for the good of others. 2
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 ....Cliff Notes question:....how do you ever expect to control the defiant, non-compliant societal segment that refuses to take even minimal, preventive steps?.....the macho, bravado, non-compliant, "anti authority non telling ME what to do gang" is in full bloom..... 1
Jrb1979 Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....Cliff Notes question:....how do you ever expect to control the defiant, non-compliant societal segment that refuses to take even minimal, preventive steps?.....the macho, bravado, non-compliant, "anti authority non telling ME what to do gang" is in full bloom..... Do what is being done here in Ontario. You fine them for not complying. The fines are $880 and they have handed out almost 1000 of them. 2
spartacus Posted July 3, 2020 Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 2:55 PM, Gray Beard said: https://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-students-throwing-covid-parties-infected-officials/story?id=71552514 Students in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 have been attending parties in the city and surrounding area as part of a disturbing contest to see who can catch the virus first, a city council member told ABC News on Wednesday. Tuscaloosa City Councilor Sonya McKinstry said students have been organizing "COVID parties" as a game to intentionally infect each other with the contagion that has killed more than 127,000 people in the United States. She said she recently learned of the behavior and informed the city council of the parties occurring in the city. She said the organizers of the parties are purposely inviting guests who have COVID-19. "They put money in a pot and they try to get COVID. Whoever gets COVID first gets the pot. It makes no sense," McKinstry said. "They're intentionally doing it." sounds like they understand the herd immunity concept
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 the his is news and NOT politics Donald Trump Jr.'s girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle tests positive for COVID-19 Jr tested negative and will self isolate https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrE1.BIhABfN8wAJqlx.9w4;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--/RV=2/RE=1593898184/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fnews.yahoo.com%2fkimberly-guilfoyle-donald-trump-jrs-030037925.html/RK=2/RS=AY7XbNyKET3jNV9JXWllD6X8ZeE-
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 4, 2020 Author Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 10:56 PM, Not at the table Karlos said: Do what NY governor did and send the sick to nursing homes. I still can’t believe that was acceptable. Look, you said "Other thing is quarantine people that are at risk. Elderly, immunodeficiency or anyone at risk. Keep them inside or throw them all in nursing homes" I explain why that's a response that makes me angry, nothing personal: "Nursing home, assisted living, senior living folks don't live in a vacuum. They require care and services. Who is caring for them? They don't have a lot of contact with nurses and they might see a doctor every couple of months. It's largely aides of various sorts. Personal assistance bathing/dressing. Even Senior Living, they need groceries, they need help with cleaning and laundry, maybe medication reminders or setup etc. The aides aren't payed well. They may not get sick time - our gov't exempted Nursing Home and Hospitals from having to provide sick pay when they passed the Families First covid act. They don't get paid time off to quarantine or isolate - no work, no pay. They traditionally dope themselves up on tylenol and nyquil and work anyway. Other countries provide these things by the way." And THIS is what you come up with? Whatever you think of the policy - and it was not a good policy, but as someone else pointed out, it was CDC guidance at the time and most of the patients with covid-19 CAME from nursing homes and the homes already had the virus in the facility and just didn't know it yet due to limited testing - it's OVER. It's DONE. It's NOT a solution, I explained why. On 7/1/2020 at 10:56 PM, Not at the table Karlos said: It’s a tough situation all around. No one is on the same page. One state says one thing and the next says something else. One govt agency says one thing and the next says something completely different. If everyone was on same page and had same restrictions I feel something could be figured out but right now it seems like monkeys flinging stuff at the wall hoping it sticks. You are correct here, if everyone was on the same page with the same guidelines and restrictions we could fix this - you know, maybe like Europe (EU) mostly has? Japan? S. Korea? Singapore? It's really not that hard, but it can't be done by hiding from data or magical thinking - hoping it will go away, failing to logically and logistically assess the problems and find solutions. On 7/1/2020 at 10:56 PM, Not at the table Karlos said: The antibodies I’m very curious in. If they last a while they should(at least in my case) prevent some type of re-infection. I was first tested for them in March iirc and had them. I was exposed to covid again three weeks ago and tested negative. So dr thinks they’re still there which would be big because there was thought that they went away after a month or two. You and a lot of your "closest friends" working in vaccine development would like to know! The current thinking if covid-19 follows the path of SARS or MERS, is that immunity will persist 6 months to a year. BUT - it should be noted that antibodies aren't everything with immune response. You can no longer have antibodies circulating in your plasma, but still have immunity via B-cells (that produce antibodies) or T-cell (cellular immunity) response. It's been noted that some people who had a mild or an asymptomatic infection don't have antibodies (though my kid tested positive), but they may still have an effective immune response if they have immune memory in their B-cells and T-cells that can mobilize rapidly in response to re-infection. On the other hand, some people who produced a high level of antibodies, for whatever reason may not have a very effective immune "memory" so once the antibodies they produced deplete (which indeed takes about 2 months) they become vulnerable again.
GottaRun Posted July 4, 2020 Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) Question for @Hapless Bills Fan We know that sneezes and coughs hang in the air much longer in cold weather, I've read 1 second in hot weather before they drop to a surface vs 10 seconds or more in cold weather. Could this be the reason that Covid-19 spreads so much faster in meat packing plants vs the air conditioner circulation theory? I'm convinced if we haven't smothered this by October it will spread like wildfire. Edited July 4, 2020 by driddles
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