DCOrange Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: What's interesting tho, if you listen to some of the guys over at the Draft Network, I think it was Solak talking about how Jeudy didnt have to win against to many different coverage in a sense because of the talent around him. Defenses had to adjust to the countless weapons Bama had, which didn't allow defense to use certain coverages against Jeudy. Jeudy is an absolute specimen no doubt about it, but in the context of the coverages he saw, I think its important when factoring in his release off the line. I think that's partially just because of how special he is too. He absolutely embarrassed CBs that tried to press him at the line and teams quickly learned not to try it; they had a much better chance if they just played off coverage. He's just a filthy player; I would be very surprised if he doesn't become a Pro Bowl caliber WR (unless he becomes injury-prone). 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Is ruggs more tyreke hill or goodwin? He's so much more skilled than Goodwin it's not a comparison at all. Ruggs is a good all-around WR who happens to be blessed with incredible athleticism. Goodwin is a fast guy that can catch sometimes. 2
aristocrat Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think that's partially just because of how special he is too. He absolutely embarrassed CBs that tried to press him at the line and teams quickly learned not to try it; they had a much better chance if they just played off coverage. He's just a filthy player; I would be very surprised if he doesn't become a Pro Bowl caliber WR (unless he becomes injury-prone). He's so much more skilled than Goodwin it's not a comparison at all. Ruggs is a good all-around WR who happens to be blessed with incredible athleticism. Goodwin is a fast guy that can catch sometimes. that's what i think as well. so he's more tyreke hill with that blazing speed. a guy that mahomes never seems to overthrow
Lurker Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He is also much better at... you know.... football. Yes he is. But he's still undersized (both the 6th shortest and 6th lightest of the 55 WR's at the combine) who's not faced much in the way of pro-level CBs, other than in the LSU games (where he had 3 catches for 68 yards in 2019 and 4 for 55 and a TD in 2018) or 2018 national championship with Clemson (one catch for 3 yards)... He won't have three first round WRs on the field with him as well (Jeudy, Devonta Smith in 2021 and most likely Jaylen Waddel in 2022)... 32 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Is ruggs more tyreke hill or goodwin? More like Hill. He's way more advanced as a WR than Goodwin was. But from a body type / athleticism standpoint, maybe not all that different... Edited March 4, 2020 by Lurker 1
Locomark Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 7 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: Some of the best WRs in the league were drafted outside of the first round, so yes. Especially in a very deep class. I don’t disagree but this regime has yet to draft a top 3 round WR so we don’t know what their ability is to identify WR talent at the college level. They hit on Knox it seems and he was a diamond In the rough but we need a top WR not a project.
BillsFan17 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, Locomark said: I don’t disagree but this regime has yet to draft a top 3 round WR so we don’t know what their ability is to identify WR talent at the college level. They hit on Knox it seems and he was a diamond In the rough but we need a top WR not a project. McDermott did draft Zay Jones. Even traded up for the privilege. That being said the way this class is talked about, even by our own GM... you arent necessarily getting a project until later in the class. There is that much talent to pick from. 1
Chaos Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 If Beane is going to trade up, I hope he calls me to clear it first. I would have stopped the Watkins deal if Whaley had had the good sense to call me. 1
Putin Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 On 3/2/2020 at 11:20 AM, Sherlock Holmes said: If we can't get Kupp I'd take one of either Jeudy, Lamb or Ruggs III! You REALLY LIKE Kupp don’t you ? 1
26TrapDraw Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 On 3/2/2020 at 9:16 AM, Mark80 said: These two are as good of WR prospects as you are going to get. Jeudy has the edge on cutting ability, Lamb has the better hands. If its a 1 and a 2 to get them, I'm heavily considering it. But I don't think I could stomach 2 1st rounders. I think Beanestein will be frugal with picks and claim they can still get a difference maker at 22 at WR. I'm inclined to agree. My question is are Juedy and Lamb do much better than the next tier of what's available at 22?
NewEra Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: I think Beanestein will be frugal with picks and claim they can still get a difference maker at 22 at WR. I'm inclined to agree. My question is are Juedy and Lamb do much better than the next tier of what's available at 22? I think lamb is an automatic top tier WR and jeudys bust potential is close to nil. Lamb is worth trading up for imo. Ruggs might be the next guy to trade for imo. That speed is something special mixed with those big mitts
Putin Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: I think Beanestein will be frugal with picks and claim they can still get a difference maker at 22 at WR. I'm inclined to agree. My question is are Juedy and Lamb do much better than the next tier of what's available at 22? I would also add Ruggs to that top tier , I also believe if Jefferson was 6’3 he would be in that top tier with that said I believe he will be gone before our pick @ 22 Edited March 6, 2020 by Putin 1
BillsVet Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: I think Beanestein will be frugal with picks and claim they can still get a difference maker at 22 at WR. I'm inclined to agree. My question is are Juedy and Lamb do much better than the next tier of what's available at 22? They have the right to sit there at 22 and see how the draft falls...but would hope that if someone is there at say 15 who can come in and help Allen they make the move. If they can trade up for a LB from 22 to 16 only 2 years ago they can for a WR. Being conservative is nice when you're early into rebuilding. You gotta be bold sometimes or else you end up like Jason Botterill who's scared of his own shadow. GM's don't keep their jobs by playing it safe all the time. I'll say this for Beane...he explored the Antonio Brown thing last year and I'm sure that wasn't McD's preference. 2 1
Mark80 Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, BeefCurtns said: I think Beanestein will be frugal with picks and claim they can still get a difference maker at 22 at WR. I'm inclined to agree. My question is are Juedy and Lamb do much better than the next tier of what's available at 22? I think they are...but then again, I liked the Watkins trade too when it happened....so....
tcampbell104 Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, billspro said: Beane is definitely not afraid to trade up. beans will do whatever it takes to make this team better
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Putin said: You REALLY LIKE Kupp don’t you ? Yes, he's going to be the best receiver in the league for a long time! Edited March 6, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes
GunnerBill Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Yes, he's going to be the best receiver in the league for a long time! Is he? When will that start? 1 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Is he? When will that start? When he gets a good QB like Allen
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Is he? When will that start? Let me be assistant GM for a year, I'll show you guys I know what I'm talking about.. I can be McD's earpiece to Beane
4merper4mer Posted March 7, 2020 Posted March 7, 2020 4 hours ago, BillsVet said: They have the right to sit there at 22 and see how the draft falls...but would hope that if someone is there at say 15 who can come in and help Allen they make the move. If they can trade up for a LB from 22 to 16 only 2 years ago they can for a WR. Being conservative is nice when you're early into rebuilding. You gotta be bold sometimes or else you end up like Jason Botterill who's scared of his own shadow. GM's don't keep their jobs by playing it safe all the time. I'll say this for Beane...he explored the Antonio Brown thing last year and I'm sure that wasn't McD's preference. Who are the football equivalents of Sheary, Vesey, Hutton, Frolik, Mittlestadt and Thompson so we'll know if Beane is morphing into Bots?
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