Doc Brown Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 3 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: Come. Give Donald a break. At least he chose one of the 57 states. If only that guy could run again. Damn term limits.
LB3 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: If only that guy could run again. Damn term limits. Careful... 1
transplantbillsfan Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, section122 said: I see this is the angle people are going to take to attack Biden. Hilariously people pretend that at 77 he is just soooo much older than Trump. Trump has so many incoherent rants couldn't you say the same thing? I googled Trump Dementia and Biden Dementia. Surprise! The left wing media claims Trump has it and the right wing media says Biden has it. This is my shocked face. Should have stuck with Creepy Uncle Joe that would be much more effective. Although grab em by the p*ssy didn't really do anything to Trump so perhaps not... Here's what it boils down to for me. As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women. Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate.
transplantbillsfan Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: I wouldn't call you a Bernie Bro. Those people a lunatics who froth at the mouth. You've shown yourself to be a rational thinker who has a different political view than most here. I really don't think there'd be a meltdown here but you could be right. I think Trump will win but wouldn't be shocked if he lost. I'd be much more concerned if Biden won and picked Michelle for VP because I believe that would mean she'd be President for about 10 years. I think he'd step down after accomplishing his lifelong goal and pass the torch to someone he respects. Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP. If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall. At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate.
transplantbillsfan Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I never underestimate the ability of some people to vote as follows: 1. They will vote for a candidate/platform that confiscates assets from the middle class and beyond because the rewards to them are sustaintial. Since they can be given ×××, there is no need to work to earn xxx because it can be taken from another person. 2. They will vote for as much free $#!# as possible; 3. They will vote against their own best interests due to failure to recognize the ramifications of their actions, out of some perverse self-loathing or guilt about their own station in life. 4. They will pursue a platform that appeals to them on some level of righteousness while failing to acknowledge the incredible hypocrisy of their vote given their own lifestyle choices; As a result, I believe it is entirely possible that voters will come out to vote against Trump as you have indicated. That said, Biden and Sanders have been battling back and forth in what is akin to towel snapping each other in the hs after 10th grade gym class. The game changes when the nominee is chosen, and we move to the death match phase. Despite your protestations, Joe Biden is lugging around a whole bowl of cream o' wheat in the cavity that used to hold brain matter. He stutters, falters, loses his place, forgets where he is, mutters things like "dog faced pony soldier" and often speaks like a British lefttenant lobbing insults at the Gerrys up the hill in WW2. This is all occurring during what amounts to the warm up for the event that follows, and that event is a 50 mile race through the desert on a tricycle. I don't criticize these people for miscues regardless of party, but Joe appears ravaged by the effects of aging and it seems to get worse by the week. Sanders...well, the people lost their collective minds over things like Trump's "grab em" and the whispers of innuendo that Trump was a Russian operative, but that will pale in comparison to Sanders=Russia=Venezula=Cuba and literally IS a komrade from the old country and has been for decades. With luck, the Durham report comes out and a few Obama and Biden cronies heads roll, but if not, Trump will push forward anyways. I'm always cautious, had planned for a Cankles presidency and simply feel that when the ***** hits the fan for 2020, it'll be a scorched earth election. To be honest, it is. I see no moderate dem candidates in the race, and to be fair, if you consider yourself a moderate while opting to vote for Sanders if it plays out that way....no middle ground exists to be found anyway. Despite your protestations, the American people overlooked Trump being caught on tape admitting to sexually assaulting women when he greets them. If they did that because they "wanted change," then they will overlook Joe's bats in the attic if they aren't happy with that change. There's a reason Joe keeps throwing Obama's name out there every time he speaks publicly: it's going to get him elected. 8 years as Vice President to one of the most popular Presidents in history who's still INCREDIBLY popular and who was the most recent President before the new guy is literally the perfect opportunity for any Trump voter who now regrets his/her vote (and there are a lot of them out there, make no mistake) to go back to safe-ole-Joe, because they're familiar with him and they'll associate his new Presidency with the 8 years leading up to Trump. I would vote for Sanders, but I really didn't want him as the Democratic candidate. And I'm glad it's looking like he won't be.
Teddy KGB Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall. 1 1
LB3 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP. If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall. At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate. Agreed. Tons of people love the Obamas despite how bad he was for them and the country. 7 1
IDBillzFan Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Here's what it boils down to for me. As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women. Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate. Trump didn't win because the claims by the far left about him being an unhinged ps$$iegrabber were overlooked by most of the electorate. Trump won because the media thought it would be a good idea to air every single moment of every single Trump rally while, simultaneously, Hillary couldn't scale a flight of stairs up OR down, all while calling Trump's people 'deplorable.'' By the time she finished ignoring the flyover states so she could collect her coastal donations, she proved herself to be one of the single most unlikable candidates in years. All you're doing with Biden (and even Bernie) is swapping one white hot mess of a candidate for another. You all should have gotten behind Tulsi when you had the chance. Edited March 5, 2020 by IDBillzFan 5
LB3 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 @transplantbillsfan Every time you post about how much everyone hates Trump, it makes me think of this clip. 1 2
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: There's a reason Joe keeps throwing Obama's name out there every time he speaks publicly: it's going to get him elected. Narrator: "It didn't get him elected." 3
Azalin Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Trump didn't win because the claims by the far left about him being an unhinged ps$$iegrabber were overlooked by most of the electorate. Trump won because the media thought it would be a good idea to air every single moment of every single Trump rally while, simultaneously, Hillary couldn't scale a flight of stairs up OR down, all while calling Trump's people 'deplorable.'' By the time she finished ignoring the flyover states so she could collect her coastal donations, she proved herself to be one of the single most unlikable candidates in years. All you're doing with Biden (and even Bernie) is swapping one white hot mess of a candidate for another. You all should have gotten behind Tulsi when you had the chance. Exactly. I'd add that he won that election before having any kind of track record as a politician. Now he can run on reduced regulations, lower taxes, improved economy, fatter IRAs and 401Ks, and all his judicial appointments. I completely agree about Gabbard, too. The socialist wave sweeping the democrats nudged her and anyone like her too far into the margins. 2 1
LB3 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Narrator: "It didn't get him elected." I can't read this without hearing the Idiocracy narrator saying it. ?? 1
Taro T Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Narrator: "It didn't get him elected." 5 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: I can't read this without hearing the Idiocracy narrator saying it. ?? Funny. Can't stop hearing it in "L'il Opie Cunninghan's" voice. Edited March 5, 2020 by Taro T 1
3rdnlng Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Here's what it boils down to for me. As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women. Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate. Trump never said that. Get your facts straight or provide a link. 2
section122 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: (Just trimmed for space purposes) The difference isn’t a number, it’s energy. Trump has 100x the energy Joe does. He can (and does) speak to large crowds for 2 hours, multiple times in a day. Joe can’t hang like that. He gets tired during debates. Put them on stage together, and the difference will be stark. Joe has no prayer of keeping up with Trump. As an aside, based on your Bernie Bro comment, you’re in SoCal right? (Forgive me if you’re not or don’t wish to disclose). But if you are, do you REALLY believe Bernie supporters will go with Joe without a major fight? The ones I interact with out here do NOT agree. He’s not a political insider, a beltway insider, and ran a campaign which threatened the money flow for the globalists in DC and their establishment sacred cows. Running on promises is one thing, lots run w big promises (Take Obama who I voted for) then fall into line once in office and stick with the status quo. Trump not only ran on things which endangered the establishment’s grip on the wheel of power and their pocketbook, but he followed through. One is not like the other. Im on mobile now so my quote is a little screwed up lol. I agree with you that Trump has an energy to him and would destroy Biden in debates just like he did Hillary. They are too proper and try to debate like politicians do. Trump doesn't play by the rules they are used to and I don't think Biden is good on his feet. Bernie challenged him to a 1 hour healthcare Debate which will be very interesting to me. I'm upstate NY. I'm on an island as a Bernie supporter lol. Many dems are relieved they can vote for Biden. The Bernie supporters I do know I think would support Biden. Again though only if there isn't a screw job. If i feel there is a screw job I won't vote Biden either. The second part we just have to agree to disagree. Sure he might have upset the Clinton dynasty but by the time he was the republican candidate and eventually the winner he had full support of the repubs. A lot of rich people made a lot more money during his presidency. They weren't mad to see the dem train stopped and derailed. It just feels like you are taking standard party politics and making it a grander conspiracy with Trump as some white knight here to save us and dismantle the cabal. I just don't see that. I see the dems throwing a fit bc they thought they had 16 in the bag. They had been planning it since 08 and couldn't believe it was foiled by Trump of all people! 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP. If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall. At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate. I wouldn't vote for a ticket with michele obama. Being first lady isn't a qualifier for the vp. I would actually hate it lol. 1
LB3 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, section122 said: I'm upstate NY. I'm on an island as a Bernie supporter lol. Many dems are relieved they can vote for Biden. The Bernie supporters I do know I think would support Biden. Again though only if there isn't a screw job. If i feel there is a screw job I won't vote Biden either. I think you and I both live in the same area ?. Judging by my office and campus, I dont think you're on an island. Hell. Most of my friends and coworkers don't know I support Trump. I just tell them I'm not into politics to shut down their rants. Different strokes I guess. Nice to see we all feel like we're on an island. ? 1 1
3rdnlng Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Bernie SupportersDon’t think of it as “losing”. Think of it as having your hopes and dreams redistributed for the common good of all Democrats, equally. 2 6
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Despite your protestations, the American people overlooked Trump being caught on tape admitting to sexually assaulting women when he greets them. If they did that because they "wanted change," then they will overlook Joe's bats in the attic if they aren't happy with that change. There's a reason Joe keeps throwing Obama's name out there every time he speaks publicly: it's going to get him elected. 8 years as Vice President to one of the most popular Presidents in history who's still INCREDIBLY popular and who was the most recent President before the new guy is literally the perfect opportunity for any Trump voter who now regrets his/her vote (and there are a lot of them out there, make no mistake) to go back to safe-ole-Joe, because they're familiar with him and they'll associate his new Presidency with the 8 years leading up to Trump. I would vote for Sanders, but I really didn't want him as the Democratic candidate. And I'm glad it's looking like he won't be. As to the bolded, you’re simply, officially, irrefutably wrong. Whether it makes you feel better to summon righteous indignation at the comment made, I cannot say, but what he said neither reflects a claim of wrongdoing nor an admission of guilt. It simply reflects the experiences of Trump,and I’d gather many, many thousands of wealthy men—politicians, rock stars, athletes movie stars, a movie mogul or two, and though I cannot attest to this personally, probably more than a fair share of men who happen to be substantially better looking than the rest. For all I know, you might be one, though you’re probably blowing the gift God himself bestowed on you by walking around talking about your feelings sporting a man-bun and wearing a faded poncho made of organic hemp and broken down sandals covering feet caked in dirt after attending the most recent Phish concert. Where was I? Again, I never underestimate the enemy, and I agree that the scores of disciples of Obama still worship at what he refers to as the “Altar of How Great I Art”. I already outlined the voting habits of folks as I see them, and have no doubt many Obamaniacs would gladly go back in time to a colorless world of despair where we were constantly told things could not be accomplished, that it was too hard, too tough, that we all had to prepare for the USA to take its rightful place in the middle of the pack, and sit idly by while our $$$$ went global, where terrorist nations get the benjamins and the American tax payer got the bill for it. I know the common sentiment is that Barry proclaimed that it would take a full 10 years and 4 months for his recovery to begin, but you’ve been duped sir. Barry O tossed a salad for Clinton. Question, how did that go? How well did the anointing by The One work in 2016? Her biggest issue was she fall down/go boom, and she coughed a lot. That’s not Biden’s issue, his is that when he falls down, he gets up talking about a conversation he had with long dead leaders of China. When he coughs, he blows out his retina. As for 2016 pro-Trump voters fleeing to vote for Soft Hands Joe, sure, I’m sure that you believe that’s a thing. It is perfectly logical that folks who voted for a less tyrannical govt, freedom to keep more of the money they earn, a sense of optimism for the country, sensible border security, a return to conservative control of the SC and lower level courts, who watched the Russian experiment fail while gumming up 3/4 of his admin, the attempted Kavanaugh character assasination and all the like are running alongside you to vote for a twice-trounced candidate who frequently tries to butter his toast with the car keys, which, btw he thinks are to his 1957 Chevy. Your people can win, of course they can. But the game hasn’t even started for Joe, and he looks baaaaaad. 3 2
IDBillzFan Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women. Bold accusation. Link? I mean, if its on tape, and you heard it, and it's true, then you must have the link right?
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, section122 said: It just feels like you are taking standard party politics and making it a grander conspiracy with Trump as some white knight here to save us and dismantle the cabal. I just don't see that. I see the dems throwing a fit bc they thought they had 16 in the bag. They had been planning it since 08 and couldn't believe it was foiled by Trump of all people! All good with agreeing to disagree But even though it’s not the right thread for me to go too deep with my response, I just wanted to clarify a touch. I assure you my position is not what you state above. My working hypothesis is not that Trump is single handedly doing this, or the mastermind of it all — he’s the public face of a larger operation. It’s a much larger discussion about the intelligence community being at war with itself — much of which never goes “public” in the way political dust ups do. But there’s evidence of this being a legit analysis all around if you look beyond the headlines. The whole global system has inarguably been going through some major “adjustments” or realignments since 2016 — not just here at home, and not just with politics. But you could end up being right that it’s just a sensationalized spin on party politics in the end. No doubt about that. If there ends up not being anything more than talk done about the whole illegal spying operation which was exposed, then it’ll be back to “meet the new boss, same as the old”. The odds, going by history and reason, are on your side there. I’m just an optimist — at least for now 3
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