whatdrought Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, whorlnut said: I think it’s silly to worry about a future pick when we might be able to take the division this year. I’m not sure why people are worried about that. And I completely disagree about talent. If someone like Justin Jefferson is there at 29-32, then you try to make the move. Well, you got me with logic. We should definitely mortgage future assets haphazardly in order to win the division now. Just ask the Rams. It’s not about this season. It’s about a window of 5 seasons where we’re always competing. The only way to do that is wise use of draft capital to consistently build the team and create depth. But If you prefer to piss away capital to acquire marginally better talent, then by all means, you do you. In fact, you probably have a strong future as Bill O’Brians Executive Assistant. 1
NewEra Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, whorlnut said: You guys aren’t listening to what I’m saying...I’m saying there is a chance Beane likes a certain WR better than the rest. He might not be there at 54. All WR are not created equal. Just because there is a lot of talent doesn’t mean the one that fits your needs is a dime a dozen... Not every post is in direct response to you. Just saying. we get what you’re saying. We get that Beane likes to trade up and get players he likes. We are listening. We think that trading next years first is a stupid idea. Then you said forget trading next years first. We listened. We said we still don’t think it’s a good idea. We get that Beane likes to trade up. Been there. Done that
Big Gun Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 Every year people want the Bills to trade back into the first round, nah.
Logic Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Do you really believe everything a GM says this time of year? Haha...wow... Right. Because Beane has shown himself to be SUCH a smokescreen user, and not a tell-it-to-you-straight kind of guy. I'm sure you can provide TONS of examples of this. I think you nailed it. He's just hoodwinking us all, and in reality he's gonna trade away a ton of assets (including future draft picks) and only end up picking three players this year and not have a 1st round pick next year because, hey, WE COULD WIN THE DIVISION!
whatdrought Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Short story: I completely disagree with yours. We aren’t in the same boat as the Pats or Seahawks. They are perennial winners...we are trying to get there. Yeah I would love some of the players you mentioned, but I think you’re setting yourself up if you think Beane is gonna sit at 54 and wait... Those teams are perennial contenders because they don’t sell out for one season of success! They’re always looking 5 years down the road and preparing for what’s coming! You’re saying we’re trying to get to their level while advocating doing the exact opposite of what they have done to get them to that level!
whorlnut Posted February 29, 2020 Author Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, Logic said: Right. Because Beane has shown himself to be SUCH a smokescreen user, and not a tell-it-to-you-straight kind of guy. I'm sure you can provide TONS of examples of this. I think you nailed it. He's just hoodwinking us all, and in reality he's gonna trade away a ton of assets (including future draft picks) and only end up picking three players this year and not have a 1st round pick next year because, hey, WE COULD WIN THE DIVISION! Again...your scenario stinks because it’s unrealistic. He’s never traded down and most likely won’t do it again this year. Have fun being disappointed when he moves up in the early rounds...
mannc Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: Please don’t trade up in the 1st round for a WR in a draft supposedly full of WR talent. Seems like 2nd round has been the higher hit rate for WR anyway. Go BPA at 22, and then I’d be fine moving up in the 2nd round for a WR if BPA isn’t a WR at 22. If there is one thing we’ve learned, it’s that in a draft like this, no one really knows which of these receivers are going to be stars and which are not. I don’t buy the idea that the consensus top 3 guys are guaranteed stars. If I’m the GM, I’m not going to panic and move up in the first, and I’m going to take a swing at at least two of these guys with my first 4 picks. 1
whorlnut Posted February 29, 2020 Author Posted February 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, mannc said: If there is one thing we’ve learned, it’s that in a draft like this, no one really knows which of these receivers are going to be stars and which are not. I don’t buy the idea that the consensus top 3 guys are guaranteed stars. If I’m the GM, I’m not going to panic and move up in the first, and I’m going to take a swing at at least two of these guys with my first 4 picks. Exactly. I think it’s silly that some of the posters in this thread think since it’s perceived to be deep, they will all pan out. Right now, three of the hottest names are Jefferson, Claypool, and Mims. However, they probably put themselves out of reach at 54. I highly doubt Beane stays at 54 and watches them get picked if he likes one of them better than Edwards, Shenault, etc.
Mountain Man Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, mikemac2001 said: They do this all the time. Why does this seem like such a crazy idea to you? People trade back into the 1st for the 5th year option on QBs
Logic Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Again...your scenario stinks because it’s unrealistic. He’s never traded down and most likely won’t do it again this year. Have fun being disappointed when he moves up in the early rounds... Talking to you is like talking to a wall. You have clearly not understood or digested a single thing I've said. Enjoy your thread about your much more "realistic" scenario of the Bills giving up a future 1st round to trade up for a wide receiver in a stacked wide receiver draft, all because "they could win the division". Edited February 29, 2020 by Logic
whorlnut Posted February 29, 2020 Author Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, Logic said: Talking to you is like talking to a wall. Enjoy your thread about your much more "realistic" scenario of the Bills giving up a future 1st round to trade up for a wide receiver in a stacked wide receiver draft, all because "they could win the division". You say that because I don’t share your “opinion”. How noble of you. Good grief...
BringBackOrton Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Well, you got me with logic. We should definitely mortgage future assets haphazardly in order to win the division now. Just ask the Rams. It’s not about this season. It’s about a window of 5 seasons where we’re always competing. The only way to do that is wise use of draft capital to consistently build the team and create depth. But If you prefer to piss away capital to acquire marginally better talent, then by all means, you do you. In fact, you probably have a strong future as Bill O’Brians Executive Assistant. Everyone thought the Rams were dumb for trading up for Goff year one and got really quiet years two and three.
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 OMG hell no. This draft is deep in edge, DL, and WR. This is the year to trade out of the first round and get extra second and third round picks. 1 1
whatdrought Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Everyone thought the Rams were dumb for trading up for Goff year one and got really quiet years two and three. Trading up for a QB is a very different conversation. That being said, Goff is not a great example of a team succeeding in that area. He’s holding them back a lot right now. My reference to the Rams has more to do with their constant trading of draft assets to add guys to be able to “win now” which has resulted in an embarrassing SB loss last year, missing the playoffs this year, and having no cap and no picks to do anything to fix their massive holes throughout their roster.
Buffalo Junction Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 If all the top players are gone and the only value is at a position we have depth in I’d rather see a trade back to get extra 2nd and 3rd round picks. Say... trading our first to the colts for 34 and 44.
BringBackOrton Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: Trading up for a QB is a very different conversation. That being said, Goff is not a great example of a team succeeding in that area. He’s holding them back a lot right now. My reference to the Rams has more to do with their constant trading of draft assets to add guys to be able to “win now” which has resulted in an embarrassing SB loss last year, missing the playoffs this year, and having no cap and no picks to do anything to fix their massive holes throughout their roster. If losing in the Super Bowl is a failure, why is Kelly in the Hall of Fame?
Steve O Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: OMG hell no. This draft is deep in edge, DL, and WR. This is the year to trade out of the first round and get extra second and third round picks. If Jordan Love is still available at 22 I can see someone making it worthwhile to move down, if they're willing to give up what the Bills gave up for Losman in the same spot. If only to get ahead of New England. Maybe Green Bay as they prepare for life after Aaron Rodgers. Lions, Panthers, or Colts might also look to give up next year's first and this year's second, but aren't drafting high enough to get Tua or Burrows. 2
whatdrought Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: If all the top players are gone and the only value is at a position we have depth in I’d rather see a trade back to get extra 2nd and 3rd round picks. Say... trading our first to the colts for 34 and 44. That’s where my brain is at too. Grab Mimms or the like at 34, an Edge like Weaver from Boise at 44 and then use 54 for a corner or something along those lines. 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: If losing in the Super Bowl is a failure, why is Kelly in the Hall of Fame? Hang on. I want to be really clear here: Your argument here is that a team is correct to torpedo their future for one year of success where success is defined as a Super Bowl Loss?... Edited February 29, 2020 by whatdrought
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. This team is not adding 9 rookies. They just don’t have the room on the roster. He will do what he does, target guys and go get them. 100% agree they are not adding 9 rookies. But 5 of those 9 are in rounds 5 and 6. This is the year to use at least one of those picks on a PK or P. Also they can trade a couple of the picks for higher round picks next year. Looking at what Beane has done in the past, I suspect he will trade the 4th and package with a 5th or 6th to get back into the 3rd round somewhere or move up a few spots in the third round. I wouldn't do it, but Beane will likely do it.
Logic Posted February 29, 2020 Posted February 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, whorlnut said: You say that because I don’t share your “opinion”. How noble of you. Good grief... No, I say it because you routinely ignored everything I said throughout the thread and repeatedly replied in a way that made it clear you probably weren't even reading what I was typing. And to be fair, I believe it was YOU who told me my strategy "stinks because it's unrealistic". What's good for the goose...
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