RyanC883 Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Lurker said: Yawn. The national narrative is getting stale. They keep slotting "big" possession-type WRs to the Bills--when Beane has repeated said the team needs a dynamic playmaker a'la Tyreek Hill who can score quickly / do big chunk plays. I think you can get both. Aiyuk, Mimms, Claypool, all offer size and playmaker ability. 57 minutes ago, dje85 said: Higgins is a big radius target who gets separation that Allen would love. I would be ecstatic if we snagged him. Higgins seems like a big WR who likely gets injured often. Goes up for the ball, BAM from a CB or safety or LB, injury.
BarleyNY Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: The quality of info seemed to vary widely by team. I almost didn’t post this because the Bills stuff seemed like mostly educated guesses rather than actual intel on others. That’s a good thing from a leak standpoint. Also I thought that some of the write ups would be useful in determining where we might need to trade to and still get the kind of player we should be looking for. And the McDermott interview might be good. Edited February 28, 2020 by BarleyNY
GunnerBill Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I seem to like Tee than most here..... not necessarily in terms of grade, I have a 2nd round grade on him, but in terms of where I stack him among the receivers. So I suppose it is less that I'm high on Tee and more that I am not convinced by any of the others in that group - Aiyuk, Reagor, Shenault and (for some seemingly, but not me) Jefferson. I think of those guys the one with the best chance of being a #1 receiver in the NFL is Tee Higgins. I don't know that the Bills will take (lack of scouting Clemson suggests maybe not) or that I think he is likely BPA at #22 but if he does end up being the pick I will not be disappointed. 49 minutes ago, aristocrat said: go with justin jefferson who is faster and just an inch shorter And can't play outside to anywhere near the same level. If you are drafting Jefferson to me he ends up splitting a lot of time with Beasley.
DCOrange Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I like Mims from Baylor. Big guy, fast. Likely available in Rd. 2. Huge catch radius. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102818/article/nine-instant-impact-receivers-who-wont-cost-a-firstround-pick I think we might end up needing to trade up in the 2nd to get him which I'm a bit iffy about. I also don't think he'll really help much next season, so if we decide to go with him as our first WR pick in the draft, we need to acquire an established starter through free agency/trade IMO. There's some very serious untapped potential in him though and it'll really depend on how quick he's able to tap into that. If he works on beating press coverage this offseason, he could end up playing a DK Metcalf role for us, but he's behind Metcalf from a developmental perspective right now. Edited February 28, 2020 by DCOrange 1
Logic Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 The more I look at the needs of teams in front of Buffalo in the 1st round, the more convinced I am that the top three wide receivers, top three-four offensive tackles, and top 2-3 pass rushers will be gone. If this happens, it obviously puts the Bills in a bit of an odd spot. My hope is that they don't force a pick at any of the above mentioned positions if the value isn't there. Luckily, Beane seems to be the type to stick to his board and not reach for positions of need. As such, if the above scenario plays out, we may see the Bills end up taking a player at a position that fans consider less of an immediate need, like cornerback, safety, or linebacker. With mega-bucks about to be handed out to Tre'Davious White, a cheap rookie on the other side for the next 5 years would seem to make sense. Likewise, a Kenneth Murray or Kyle Duggar to maintain/improve the potency of the defense. In such a deep wide receiver draft, we should all be prepared for their 1st round pick to NOT be at that position. Lastly, I'm not usually a "trade down at all costs!" guy, but I would love it if they did so this year. Getting an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder in a year where the WR and RB value seems to lie there would be a wise move. 2
DCOrange Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Logic said: The more I look at the needs of teams in front of Buffalo in the 1st round, the more convinced I am that the top three wide receivers, top three-four offensive tackles, and top 2-3 pass rushers will be gone. If this happens, it obviously puts the Bills in a bit of an odd spot. My hope is that they don't force a pick at any of the above mentioned positions if the value isn't there. Luckily, Beane seems to be the type to stick to his board and not reach for positions of need. As such, if the above scenario plays out, we may see the Bills end up taking a player at a position that fans consider less of an immediate need, like cornerback, safety, or linebacker. With mega-bucks about to be handed out to Tre'Davious White, a cheap rookie on the other side for the next 5 years would seem to make sense. Likewise, a Kenneth Murray or Kyle Duggar to maintain/improve the potency of the defense. In such a deep wide receiver draft, we should all be prepared for their 1st round pick to NOT be at that position. Lastly, I'm not usually a "trade down at all costs!" guy, but I would love it if they did so this year. Getting an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder in a year where the WR and RB value seems to lie there would be a wise move. I think safety is definitely something to keep an eye on in the first round. Expected to be a lot of good safety options in our draft range and not much after it. 1
NewEra Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: Solid 40 and a great 3-cone show he has the agility to run all the routes. Plays all 4 phases of special teams, and his catch rate was something ridiculous like 86% for his career. He’s huge and not only big but physically imposing as well. Higgins is tall but slender. He worries me in a lot of ways. I prefer Jefferson over Higgins as well, Jefferson is more of a slot guy imo. Higgins is better on the boundary. I think higgins checks several boxes and has a very high floor. He gets fine separation, has great hands and is quick off the line for a 6’4 wr. Solid in the RAC dept too. I wasn’t a huge Higgins guy going into the predraft process but after watching a bunch of tape, I’m a believer. He’d be a super fit here imo regarding Pittman, I like him too. I have a rd 3 grade on him. I’m just not a fan of his suddenness and he looks really stiff too me. While I’d be happy to land him in rd 3, I’d much rather have Higgins. I think he’s more polished Edited February 28, 2020 by NewEra 1
Reed83HOF Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The quality of info seemed to vary widely by team. I almost didn’t post this because the Bills stuff seemed like mostly educated guesses rather than actual intel on others. That’s a good thing from a leak standpoint. Also I thought that some of the write ups would be useful in determining where we might need to trade to and still get the kind of player we should be looking for. And the McDermott interview might be good. The "mock" drafts, I would say especially with the Buffalo pick (since they don't know **** about this team) is simply lining up team needs against someone's "big board" without looking more into it than that. I think that is okay for RD3-7, but IMO RD1 & 2 need to be based more on this simple mindless thought process. 10 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think safety is definitely something to keep an eye on in the first round. Expected to be a lot of good safety options in our draft range and not much after it. DBs fit really nice around #22 - #32 and if we stay there, that is what we should be taking as that will very likely be BPA in the top tier of the remaining players based on positions. We have 10 more days until Tags have to be locked in and 16-18 days until UFA vistis can begin and signings. Lots of fun coming up to plug our holes and then we can really start digging into what we and the 21 teams in front of us should do in RD1. 1
blacklabel Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I think they end up with two receivers in this draft, one in round two or three (I don't think they prioritize the position highly enough to warrant a first round pick) and one somewhere in the last couple rounds as well. I think Bryan Edwards is a real possibility. Looks like they've done a lot of homework on him. I haven't really dug in yet with the draft and whatnot this year but in trying to predict who the Bills would likely take just look for the guys who are team leaders or captains, are seniors or have three years of college ball under their belt, have positional versatility, and have high character. That be the McBeane player M.O. 1
Logic Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think safety is definitely something to keep an eye on in the first round. Expected to be a lot of good safety options in our draft range and not much after it. Yep. They have a lot of young guys they'll need to pay in the coming few seasons, and they can't keep everyone. Getting a young safety in the fold now would allow them to use more of the three-safety or Buffalo Nickel looks that McDermott likes this season while having him replace Poyer as a full-time safety next season. Or, if they like using him as a roving, jack-of-all-trades player and he succeeds in that role, and if Jaquan Johnson continues to progress, they could just keep him in that roving role. It gives them flexibility. Lastly, I'll say this: McDermott seems to be a safety whisperer. He has been able to get tremendous production out of afterthoughts like Kurt Coleman, Jordan Poyer, and Dean Marlowe. Just imagine what he could do with an actual blue chip safety prospect. I'm picturing game-changing, All-Pro type production. A safety like that can really change the face of a defense and can flip football games. I know it would anger 90% of Bills fans if the team took a safety high, but I'm not in that 90%. Passing and stopping the opposing passer is how you win football games, and a game changing safety is a big way to stop the opposing passer.
RyanC883 Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think we might end up needing to trade up in the 2nd to get him which I'm a bit iffy about. I also don't think he'll really help much next season, so if we decide to go with him as our first WR pick in the draft, we need to acquire an established starter through free agency/trade IMO. There's some very serious untapped potential in him though and it'll really depend on how quick he's able to tap into that. If he works on beating press coverage this offseason, he could end up playing a DK Metcalf role for us, but he's behind Metcalf from a developmental perspective right now. Yeah I wouldn't want to trade up in the 2nd. Who knows, perhaps Shenault falls in the 2nd to us. He likely fell out of the 1st yesterday with his 40 time and others like Jefferson moving into the 1st. I think most WR's (1st round or not) take some time to develop. That's why I recommend grabbing Hooper (yes, a TE, but the best pass catcher likely to be available) in FA to pair with Knox.
GunnerBill Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, Logic said: The more I look at the needs of teams in front of Buffalo in the 1st round, the more convinced I am that the top three wide receivers, top three-four offensive tackles, and top 2-3 pass rushers will be gone. If this happens, it obviously puts the Bills in a bit of an odd spot. My hope is that they don't force a pick at any of the above mentioned positions if the value isn't there. Luckily, Beane seems to be the type to stick to his board and not reach for positions of need. As such, if the above scenario plays out, we may see the Bills end up taking a player at a position that fans consider less of an immediate need, like cornerback, safety, or linebacker. With mega-bucks about to be handed out to Tre'Davious White, a cheap rookie on the other side for the next 5 years would seem to make sense. Likewise, a Kenneth Murray or Kyle Duggar to maintain/improve the potency of the defense. In such a deep wide receiver draft, we should all be prepared for their 1st round pick to NOT be at that position. Lastly, I'm not usually a "trade down at all costs!" guy, but I would love it if they did so this year. Getting an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder in a year where the WR and RB value seems to lie there would be a wise move. Yea.... Kristian Fulton, Patrick Queen, Kenneth Murray, Xavier McKinney.... if one of those 4 is there they are likely the BPA. 1
Coach Tuesday Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I seem to like Tee than most here..... not necessarily in terms of grade, I have a 2nd round grade on him, but in terms of where I stack him among the receivers. So I suppose it is less that I'm high on Tee and more that I am not convinced by any of the others in that group - Aiyuk, Reagor, Shenault and (for some seemingly, but not me) Jefferson. I think of those guys the one with the best chance of being a #1 receiver in the NFL is Tee Higgins. I don't know that the Bills will take (lack of scouting Clemson suggests maybe not) or that I think he is likely BPA at #22 but if he does end up being the pick I will not be disappointed. And can't play outside to anywhere near the same level. If you are drafting Jefferson to me he ends up splitting a lot of time with Beasley. Jefferson belongs in Green Bay - perfect fit.
Logic Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea.... Kristian Fulton, Patrick Queen, Kenneth Murray, Xavier McKinney.... if one of those 4 is there they are likely the BPA. McKinney is a draft crush of mine in terms of his fit with Buffalo and what I believe he could do in this defense. I know, I know, how original and creative to "crush" on the best safety in the class and an obvious 1st round talent. I think the Cowboys would be silly to pass on him, since they've needed a stud safety for over a decade now. With needs on the D-line and at corner, though, they may go a different direction. 1
GunnerBill Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Jefferson belongs in Green Bay - perfect fit. Yep. That is where I think all those #2 receivers are fits - Green Bay and New Orleans. The other intriguing spot would be Tampa - because we know Arians loves bigger slot guys - but I doubt they go WR early with Godwin, Evans and all their other needs. 1 minute ago, Logic said: McKinney is a draft crush of mine in terms of his fit with Buffalo and what I believe he could do in this defense. I know, I know, how original and creative to "crush" on the best safety in the class and an obvious 1st round talent. I think the Cowboys would be silly to pass on him, since they've needed a stud safety for over a decade now. With needs on the D-line and at corner, though, they may go a different direction. Agree. I did the Cowboys in our TSW Mock, traded back and still got McKinney. They'd be mad to pass on him. 2
Motorin' Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: I like Mims from Baylor. Big guy, fast. Likely available in Rd. 2. Huge catch radius. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102818/article/nine-instant-impact-receivers-who-wont-cost-a-firstround-pick Just watched his highlights. He's a freak! 1
Mark92 Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I've kind of talked myself into an edge rusher if one of the top guys is there at 22. If not, trade back and get WR, RB, DE in rounds 2 and 3. Lots of depth at those positions.
CSBill Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, H2o said: Chase Claypool. 6'4-1/4", 238lbs, 4.42 40, 40.5" vertical, 80"+ wingspan, 10'6" broad jump, and got better every year in college. ***bangs the table*** Great size, faster than I thought. How are his hands--is he reliable? He is growing on me, can he be had in the 2nd round?
Pete Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, H2o said: Chase Claypool. 6'4-1/4", 238lbs, 4.42 40, 40.5" vertical, 80"+ wingspan, 10'6" broad jump, and got better every year in college. ***bangs the table*** Aiyuk in 1st and Claypool. 1
billykay Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, blacklabel said: I think they end up with two receivers in this draft, one in round two or three (I don't think they prioritize the position highly enough to warrant a first round pick) and one somewhere in the last couple rounds as well. I think Bryan Edwards is a real possibility. Looks like they've done a lot of homework on him. I haven't really dug in yet with the draft and whatnot this year but in trying to predict who the Bills would likely take just look for the guys who are team leaders or captains, are seniors or have three years of college ball under their belt, have positional versatility, and have high character. That be the McBeane player M.O. Edwards may fall because of his broken foot. Would be nice if he fell to day 3 because of the injury. 1
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