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[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I don't know about him specifically, but *that* is the type of FA WR I think Beane targets given the totality of circumstances and the state of the roster. In a Draft deep at WR, it makes a lot of sense to address the other areas that need improvement via FA and then use your Draft capital on the deepest position in the Draft. Only Beane et. al. know definitively what their approach will be, but IMHO, it just makes too much sense to do anything else....UNLESS, the Bills trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for a good WR.

Unless it’s an elite pass rusher,  these are types of FAs that will help this team the most. Otherwise build through the draft. I would give out a big market setting contract to an elite pass rusher in FA just not sure one will be available. 

Edited March 3, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Not a rumor, but the more I've thought about it, the more I think we might see Beane pursue Paul Richardson as a free agent. There were rumors we were one of the teams most interested in him back when he ultimately signed with Washington and he would make a lot of sense for us still today.

 

I don't mind Richardson as cheap deal that at least gives you a third credible guy to throw out there but to me he is only improves your depth. He doesn't give you a true extra playmaker.

[Royale with Cheese]

13 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The whole premise of my post was responding to a poster who suggested they can't afford to sign high priced FAs because they have future players to resign. I believe they aren't going to resign everyone and they'll let guys like Milano or Poyer walk if they are looking for a big pay day(which they will be) and figure they can replace them with cheaper options via the draft of FA. They put more of a value on guys like Edmunds, Dawkins, and Tre.

 

You seem to think that because Milano was out on defense a lot this translates to him being great. He's a solid OLB but he had his fair share of struggles last season. 

 

You went from Milano "hasn't been very good since his injury" to now "solid".  

 

Yes Scott, I think Milano is a very good linebacker....which is why he's never taken off the field.  You seem to think that OLB isn't a premier position for McDermott when he has one on the field 100% of the time.  The Panthers, when McDermott was the DC...drafted Shaq Thompson in the first round who is an OLB.  Why the F did they do that if it's not a premier position with McDermott?  

I thought it was obvious that fast linebackers who can cover is vital for McDermott's defense but you seem to not think that.  

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Unless it’s an elite pass rusher,  these are types of FAs that will help this team the most. Otherwise build through the draft. I would give out a big market setting contract to an elite pass rusher in FA just not sure one will be available. 

Despite our recent upswing, I still can’t see the Bills landing a glamour free agent like Clowney.  Money talks, but any of the elite pass rushers who hit free agency will have many suitors.  Still think our best shot of landing an elite pass rusher is trading our 1st rounder for somebody who’s unhappy like Bosa, but that’s still a long shot.  Most likely scenario is we over-pay for Lawson.  Beane can’t let both Lawson and Phillips walk without replacing them with an elite pass rusher.  

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Despite our recent upswing, I still can’t see the Bills landing a glamour free agent like Clowney.  Money talks, but any of the elite pass rushers who hit free agency will have many suitors.  Still think our best shot of landing an elite pass rusher is trading our 1st rounder for somebody who’s unhappy like Bosa, but that’s still a long shot.  Most likely scenario is we over-pay for Lawson.  Beane can’t let both Lawson and Phillips walk without replacing them with an elite pass rusher.  

Bosa unhappy? That’s new... where did you hear that?

Edited March 3, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[BuffaloRebound]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jayparis/2020/01/31/la-chargers-joey-bosa-is-seeking-a-super-payday-this-offseason/#4435aa707901
 

Chargers might be dysfunctional enough for Bosa to hold out for a trade.  

[BigBuff423]

 

38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Unless it’s an elite pass rusher,  these are types of FAs that will help this team the most. Otherwise build through the draft. I would give out a big market setting contract to an elite pass rusher in FA just not sure one will be available. 

 

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't mind Richardson as cheap deal that at least gives you a third credible guy to throw out there but to me he is only improves your depth. He doesn't give you a true extra playmaker.

 

Yolo - from the Morse contract last year, I do think Beane will spend big money on key positions he / they believe need to possess great or elite talent in order to be a Super Bowl team. Center / LT and maybe RT are positions that advance your entire Offense (and QB duh). DE is another position that can alter the course of a game by an elite player and I agree that if one were available and based on Cap management, I think Beane prioritizes it and spends the money. However, what I truly LOVE about Beane and his team is that they take a value based approach and won't overpay for a particular player, regardless of how much they like him. They stick to the objective standard model and hold to it. 

 

Gunner, agreed - and that's why IMHO Beane takes that kind of approach in FA and will swing for the fences in the Draft for a WR. I don't know if that's a trade in the 1st or just taking multiple WRs in the Draft, but I DO think it's fairly early i.e. 1st / 2nd Round. JMO, but when all of the stars align for good FA for DE / OT / LB / CB / S / and depth at WR, the writing on the wall is those are positions in FA to spend, while WR and RB, depth CB, LB, and DL are the Draft targets. Who knows, but it just seems to fit Beane's approach in my mind thus far. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

 

 

Yolo - from the Morse contract last year, I do think Beane will spend big money on key positions he / they believe need to possess great or elite talent in order to be a Super Bowl team. Center / LT and maybe RT are positions that advance your entire Offense (and QB duh). DE is another position that can alter the course of a game by an elite player and I agree that if one were available and based on Cap management, I think Beane prioritizes it and spends the money. However, what I truly LOVE about Beane and his team is that they take a value based approach and won't overpay for a particular player, regardless of how much they like him. They stick to the objective standard model and hold to it. 

 

Gunner, agreed - and that's why IMHO Beane takes that kind of approach in FA and will swing for the fences in the Draft for a WR. I don't know if that's a trade in the 1st or just taking multiple WRs in the Draft, but I DO think it's fairly early i.e. 1st / 2nd Round. JMO, but when all of the stars align for good FA for DE / OT / LB / CB / S / and depth at WR, the writing on the wall is those are positions in FA to spend, while WR and RB, depth CB, LB, and DL are the Draft targets. Who knows, but it just seems to fit Beane's approach in my mind thus far. 

 

The other advantage of Richardson is, I think, a cut so he doesn't count on comp formula etc.

[thebandit27]

21 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Despite our recent upswing, I still can’t see the Bills landing a glamour free agent like Clowney.  Money talks, but any of the elite pass rushers who hit free agency will have many suitors.  Still think our best shot of landing an elite pass rusher is trading our 1st rounder for somebody who’s unhappy like Bosa, but that’s still a long shot.  Most likely scenario is we over-pay for Lawson.  Beane can’t let both Lawson and Phillips walk without replacing them with an elite pass rusher.  

Clowney has a good relationship with Gaine...Gaine was the GM that was ready to back up the truck for him in Houston.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Clowney has a good relationship with Gaine...Gaine was the GM that was ready to back up the truck for him in Houston.

 

You're making me love the idea of Clowney more and more each day.  

[JaCrispy]

23 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Clowney has a good relationship with Gaine...Gaine was the GM that was ready to back up the truck for him in Houston.

Something about Clowney just doesn’t sit right with me...like I don’t trust him with a lot of money...kinda like Darius...

Edited March 3, 2020 by JaCrispy

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You're making me love the idea of Clowney more and more each day.  

He would be an upgrade to Shaq - matches his strengths in the run game/edge setting but pumps up the pass rushing effectiveness 

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

Something about Clowney just doesn’t sit right with me...like I don’t trust him with a lot of money...kinda like Darius...

He’s had a lot of money for years. I don’t see any similarities to Dareus. Jmo

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

He would be an upgrade to Shaq - matches his strengths in the run game/edge setting but pumps up the pass rushing effectiveness 

He’s had a lot of money for years. I don’t see any similarities to Dareus. Jmo

I had heard he doesn’t have the best work ethic...

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

I had heard he doesn’t have the best work ethic...

I actually never heard that but could be... was that a report or inside info 

[Buffalo Junction]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I actually never heard that but could be... was that a report or inside info 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thebiglead.com/amp/posts/peter-king-says-jadeveon-clowney-not-worker-bee-work-ethic-could-interfere-with-long-term-extension-01dxqcwqfff7

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000327799/article/jadeveon-clowney-spurriers-work-ethic-dig-just-an-opinion%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcollege-football%3bplyr%3Dgeorge_ingram%3bplyr%3Dstephon_gilmore&p.ct=CFB%2b24/7&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23ffffff&p.bgc1m=%23000000&sr=amp

[Saint Doug]

12 hours ago, JDubya76 said:

Or to send them to the minors. They do risk losing them for nothing if they send them down.

You can send them to the minors, but you only get very limited cap relief, while paying them their full NHL salary. 

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thebiglead.com/amp/posts/peter-king-says-jadeveon-clowney-not-worker-bee-work-ethic-could-interfere-with-long-term-extension-01dxqcwqfff7

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000327799/article/jadeveon-clowney-spurriers-work-ethic-dig-just-an-opinion%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcollege-football%3bplyr%3Dgeorge_ingram%3bplyr%3Dstephon_gilmore&p.ct=CFB%2b24/7&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23ffffff&p.bgc1m=%23000000&sr=amp

Reading that sounds to me like It’s coming straight from Bill O’Brien using it to make himself look better for getting rid of him. If Gaine’s opinion is different then Beane will trust him. 

[JaCrispy]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I actually never heard that but could be... was that a report or inside info 

Not sure...I think it might have stemmed from his final year in college, leading up to the draft...

[Buffalo Junction]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Reading that sounds to me like It’s coming straight from Bill O’Brien using it to make himself look better for getting rid of him. If Gaine’s opinion is different then Beane will trust him. 

I think so. It harkens back to Spurriers comments at South Carolina where his injury problems were referred to as “want to play” rather than couldn’t play.

 

The perpetually playing dinged up worries me more than anything else honestly. His work ethic has never been something I questioned, just whether or not he was available for work. 

[aristocrat]

I don't think clowney is going to have the suitors he thinks he will.  I could see him getting a 1 year deal at pretty high money like 15-16 mil but i dont think anyone is giving him 20 mil for years.