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[Cripple Creek]

53 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

You mean he sucks relative to his draft position?  Clearly he doesn’t suck if he’s getting 9 mil as @thebandit27 said. 

Yes.  Where he was drafted cannot be ignored. (IMO)

[YattaOkasan]

3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Yes.  Where he was drafted cannot be ignored. (IMO)

So Sammy sucks?  Then Milano should be HoF because he was drafted in the 5th round?

 

I agree with your thoughts about the GM and the draft. But when I evaluate players in the league I don’t care where they were drafted.  
 

Your logic would have had us not make the Hughes trade (a 1st rounder not playing well) for Sheppard (a meh middle round pick).  You have to evaluate the player without mind of where he was drafted. 
 

and yes you evaluate the GM based on where they picked the player. 

[Cripple Creek]

Just now, YattaOkasan said:

So Sammy sucks?  Then Milano should be HoF because he was drafted in the 5th round?

 

I agree with your thoughts about the GM and the draft. But when I evaluate players in the league I don’t care where they were drafted.  
 

Your logic would have had us not make the Hughes trade (a 1st rounder not playing well) for Sheppard (a meh middle round pick).  You have to evaluate the player without mind of where he was drafted. 
 

and yes you evaluate the GM based on where they picked the player. 

Matt Milano has outperformed his draft position, he is not a bust and is a very pleasant surprise.

Sammy has not outperformed his draft position by a very wide margin.  That makes him a draft bust.

[YattaOkasan]

3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Matt Milano has outperformed his draft position, he is not a bust and is a very pleasant surprise.

Sammy has not outperformed his draft position by a very wide margin.  That makes him a draft bust.

Gotcha. I agree with him being a bust. But wouldn’t say he sucks. Thanks. 

[JaCrispy]

3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Matt Milano has outperformed his draft position, he is not a bust and is a very pleasant surprise.

Sammy has not outperformed his draft position by a very wide margin.  That makes him a draft bust.

I don’t view that definition as a “bust”...to me a “bust” is when a player drafted fairly high doesn’t even manage to become a serviceable player- likely resulting in being cut, or out of the league in short order (ie Jamarcus Russel, EJ Manuel, Jonny Manzeil, JP Losman)....Sammy is not a bust imho, but rather a mediocre player...

Edited April 5, 2020 by JaCrispy

[Formerly Allan in MD]

No matter his draft position, Sammy's career would have taken a very different trajectory if he had started his career with a quarterback who could get him the ball.  Also, injuries were a problem early on.  He's a very good receiver, attitude problems and career path aside.

[Cripple Creek]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t view that definition as a “bust”...to me a “bust” is when a player drafted fairly high doesn’t even manage to become a serviceable player- likely resulting in being cut, or out of the league in short order (ie Jamarcus Russel, EJ Manuel, Jonny Manzeil, JP Losman)....Sammy is not a bust imho, but rather a mediocre player...

To each his own.  Based on his draft position he is, to me.

[PIZ]

Is there any news on OT LaAdrian Waddle? I’d like to sign him for depth and competition if he is healthy. 

[ColoradoBills]

28 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Is there any news on OT LaAdrian Waddle? I’d like to sign him for depth and competition if he is healthy. 

 

Nothing that I have seen.  I did read an article somewhat back that a torn quad is hard for OL players to recover from.

Probably won't get any looks until he can visit teams and get checked/worked out.

[GG]

36 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Is there any news on OT LaAdrian Waddle? I’d like to sign him for depth and competition if he is healthy. 

 

I'm guessing that with the Williams signing, Waddle is a longshot.

[Jerboski]

On 3/15/2020 at 12:22 PM, WMDman said:

per nfl network. terms still unknown 

 

On 3/15/2020 at 2:24 PM, astb41 said:

what time does the legal tampering period begin?

Would like to know as well

Did Jason Peters  or everson Griffith sign yet?

[ytownblofan]

44 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I'm guessing that with the Williams signing, Waddle is a longshot.

Yeah, at this point, I would guess Waddle is on their shortlist if an injury occurs during TC or during the season if he isn't picked up elsewhere 

[MiltonWaddams]

3 hours ago, Jerboski said:

 

Would like to know as well

Did Jason Peters  or everson Griffith sign yet?

Neither have.

[Richard Noggin]

13 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

So, players shouldn't be judged based on their draft position and GMs shouldn't be judged based on their drafts.  Participation trophies for all.  Wonderful.

 

Watkins was drafted #4.  He has not come close to living up to that potential and based on draft position, he sucks.

Whaley moved up to draft him even though he didn't have a QB to get him the ball, he sucks.

A player can only be judged upon his play. The player has no say in where he is drafted. 

 

The general manager who drafts the player, however, SHOULD be judged based upon draft value relative to performance. 

 

Think critically.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 

I'm guessing that with the Williams signing, Waddle is a longshot.

Could be the impact of Waddle's injury is still evident.

[Watkins101]

8 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Could be the impact of Waddle's injury is still evident.

Or it's possible teams don't know, and are waiting for a physical first.

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Could be the impact of Waddle's injury is still evident.

Or they just don’t know enough yet because they can’t examine him with their own doctors. A lot of these fringe guys coming off injury are going to be late signings with the current restrictions 

[Cripple Creek]

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

A player can only be judged upon his play. The player has no say in where he is drafted. 

 

The general manager who drafts the player, however, SHOULD be judged based upon draft value relative to performance. 

 

Think critically.

So, Watkins has maxed out his god given abilities.  Got it.

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

So, Watkins has maxed out his god given abilities.  Got it.

I really don't understand what you're getting at.

 

I don't think Watkins has ever realized his full potential at the NFL level. That's a fair criticism. 

[Cripple Creek]

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I really don't understand what you're getting at.

 

I don't think Watkins has ever realized his full potential at the NFL level. That's a fair criticism. 

In my opinion, by a wide margin. Bust.