Alphadawg7 Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: What do you need Pittman etc. for if you're signing (don't) Green? Green is an injury liability still. You hope to get a couple good to great years with him, but also need young talent to groom still behind him and he would be a great mentor for young talented WR. There is just no way you can sign AJ Green and feel “set” at WR given his recent injury history. If he’s healthy, he’s top 10 still, but can he stay healthy and how many more top end years does he have left even if healthy are real questions. So you take that young WR to groom behind him and Brown to both contribute now and eventually take over hopefully as a starter in the next couple seasons.
John from Riverside Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Sign one: Antonio Brown Trade one: Edmunds Draft one: Shenault I didn’t realize this was a joke thread
Reed83HOF Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Green is an injury liability still. You hope to get a couple good to great years with him, but also need young talent to groom still behind him and he would be a great mentor for young talented WR. There is just no way you can sign AJ Green and feel “set” at WR given his recent injury history. If he’s healthy, he’s top 10 still, but can he stay healthy and how many more top end years does he have left even if healthy are real questions. So you take that young WR to groom behind him and Brown to both contribute now and eventually take over hopefully as a starter in the next couple seasons. ^^ Green gives you a season or so to groom Aiyuk. IMO this is the ideal way to go if you are looking at a WR besides the top 3 guys. The other important topic to think about is that the decision is ticking on Allen's contract, you really need to know what you have in him very, very quickly and you can't just wait too long for a RD2 WR to develop in our offense. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 Sign Conklin Trade for Campbell Draft Reagor
thebandit27 Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: What do you need Pittman etc. for if you're signing (don't) Green? Occasionally teams like to have more than one good player at a position. Crazy, I know
Mark Vader Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Sign Conklin Trade for Campbell Draft Reagor Who's Campbell?
ScorpionZero Posted February 17, 2020 Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Who's Campbell? Calias 1 1
Dkollidas Posted February 17, 2020 Author Posted February 17, 2020 Sign: Kamalei Correa- I believe he’ll be an inexpensive answer to some of the versatility Lorenzo gave us. He really came on at the end of the year. He’s younger, cheaper and I believe could give similar production as a guy like Van Noy. Draft: AJ Epenesa- I think he’ll fit really well in this scheme. Epenesa will be perfect at setting the edge and then using his power to work inside as well. I think he’d be a McDermott favorite. Trade: AJ Green- Getting Green gives Allen a chance at a legit top-10 WR if he can stay healthy. It would probably only take a 2021 3rd Rounder to the Bengals.
MJS Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 8 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Putting the QB on the ground? Like, say, QB knockdowns? Cool...because Clowney had more QB knockdowns in 2019 than Aaron Donald (and Yannick Ngakoue for the record). https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/defense_advanced.htm Nope. Sacks. Donald had a down year (and an interior pass rusher, btw). Ngakoue is also overrated big time.
thebandit27 Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, MJS said: Nope. Sacks. Donald had a down year (and an interior pass rusher, btw). Ngakoue is also overrated big time. Huh. So Donald had a “down year”? He lead the NFL in TFLs, QB hurries, and was 2nd in QB pressures Down year ? This discussion is a case study for why just looking at sacks is not a great way to determine who’s a good pass rusher.
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Sign Conklin Trade for Campbell Draft Reagor Conklin woukd be a great get
CEN-CAL17 Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 Sign : Daryl Williams OG/RT Trade : Kenny Galloday WR Draft : Zack Baun OLB 2
The Jokeman Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Sign LB Jordan Jenkins Trade DE Carlos Dunlap Draft WR Denzel Mims Round 2 This option gives us a chance to draft BPA in Round 1. Edited February 18, 2020 by The Jokeman
MJS Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Huh. So Donald had a “down year”? He lead the NFL in TFLs, QB hurries, and was 2nd in QB pressures Down year ? This discussion is a case study for why just looking at sacks is not a great way to determine who’s a good pass rusher. All those stats that mean you didn't get to the QB. And regardless, Clowney isn't half the player Donald is. He's a slightly above average defensive end. He's Jerry Hughes.
Chicken Boo Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 Sign Jack Conklin Trade for Chandler Jones Draft Laviska Shenault
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, MJS said: All those stats that mean you didn't get to the QB. And regardless, Clowney isn't half the player Donald is. He's a slightly above average defensive end. He's Jerry Hughes. Bro, he's 2, maybe 3 times more disruptive than Hughes. Watch some freaking film man. Actually, you add him and he flushes 10-15 sacks for Hughes.
MJS Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Bro, he's 2, maybe 3 times more disruptive than Hughes. Watch some freaking film man. Actually, you add him and he flushes 10-15 sacks for Hughes. He had his best years with JJ Watt opposite him and without an elite guy to compliment him, his stats plummeted. That's the same story as Hughes, except Hughes actually achieved double digit sacks. I get that sacks aren't everything, but that's what we need. We need a pass rush specialist who actually gets to the QB.
thebandit27 Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, MJS said: He had his best years with JJ Watt opposite him and without an elite guy to compliment him, his stats plummeted. That's the same story as Hughes, except Hughes actually achieved double digit sacks. I get that sacks aren't everything, but that's what we need. We need a pass rush specialist who actually gets to the QB. Wrong again. Clowney’s best season in terms of sacks came in 2017–Watt missed the year due to injury. Time to let this one go. You’re way off about the guy.
MJS Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Wrong again. Clowney’s best season in terms of sacks came in 2017–Watt missed the year due to injury. Time to let this one go. You’re way off about the guy. I haven't been wrong yet. Watt wasn't out the whole year. He played 5 games. And does it matter that it was his best year? His best year still didn't produce double digit sacks. Clowney isn't elite. He's a solid defensive end who will get elite money. I sure hope it isn't the Bills who give him the big contract he's about to get. Guys like Clowney and Hughes are really good if you get an elite guy across from them. Otherwise all they get is "hurries" and "pressures" which are fine, but we need a guy who actually produces, not almost produces.
thebandit27 Posted February 18, 2020 Posted February 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, MJS said: I haven't been wrong yet. Watt wasn't out the whole year. He played 5 games. And does it matter that it was his best year? His best year still didn't produce double digit sacks. Clowney isn't elite. He's a solid defensive end who will get elite money. I sure hope it isn't the Bills who give him the big contract he's about to get. Guys like Clowney and Hughes are really good if you get an elite guy across from them. Otherwise all they get is "hurries" and "pressures" which are fine, but we need a guy who actually produces, not almost produces. So you weren’t wrong that he only produces when Watt is playing on the other side? Got it. If you only go by the stat sheet, you’re going to miss a lot. Guess why Clowney is going to get paid? Because he’s worth it to NFL GMs. The same guys that knew Stephon Gilmore was worth it when legions of angry Bills’ fans said he wasn’t. 1
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