GDT: Nevada Caucuses

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Communism, which you are cheering for, is ugly, inhumane, soul crushing, and horrifying. Bernie is a ***** communist, and anyone trying to pretty it up is lying to themselves, and others.

 

The only thing “sad” is the stupidity of some Americans voting for this commie hustler.

It’s the old saying: “those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.” 
 

Our education system failed the younger generations (including my own) by not being honest about this very thing. 
 

 

[Teddy KGB]

13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

food shortages (this is likely coming anyway, not because of Communism)

Where are all the cows, chickens, and potatoes running off to ? 
 

 

Edited February 23, 2020 by Teddy KGB

[Doc Brown]

11 minutes ago, snafu said:

And @Doc Brown — checks and balances aren’t the point here with Sanders.  The point is that electing him results in the actual legitimization of the notion that whatever social safety programs we already have in place should be expanded.  I know I’m going all slippery slope here, but look into the future.  Look into what a wealth tax would encompass and how easily it could be expanded; and how easily it will divide people by class; and how easily it will be adopted at State tax levels.  I don’t have the means to be worried about the wealth tax today, and I probably won’t ever need to.  But the thresholds can always be adjusted in ways you and I wouldn’t expect to be acceptable today. Look at countries that had wealth taxes and abandoned them and why.  Why should be even be talking about it when it’s been shown to be an unwieldy failure? It’s a power grab from individuals and State and local governments.  

As a Democrat I agree with that which is why even establishment Democrats will vote for Bernie even if they think some of his proposals like a Green New Deal are insane.  A $15 federal minimum wage will increase the wages of 33 million people by 2025 according to an epi study.  I know you'll point to all the drawbacks of raising the federal minimum wage but that's going to be the Dems sales pitch going into 2020.  I agree that a wealth tax isn't a good idea and I doubt it'll ever get through Congress even if the Dems hold all three houses (which would only happen if a recession hit). 

 

For the record, I don't think Bernie would win but if he did then the Republican resistance would make the Tea Party look like amateur hour.  We'll be fine.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Again, I know I’m slippery-sloping, but consider that health insurance was governed by states until ACA came around and started us down the road toward a Federally administered program.  Sounded innocent at the time, yeah? Now it’s almost a given that states are being taken out of the equation.  Bernie’s Medicare for all is the next step in the progression.  Wealth tax is the next step in the progression.  Federally run free education (probably with Federally approved curricula) is the next step in the progression.  You’re right, Bernie isn’t taking us to communism in 4 years. That’s not his goal or purpose.  He wants our country to be communist some day — whether he’s on this Earth to witness it really doesn’t seem to matter to him.

 

 

...professing my ignorance, with a sincere apology, what government run program has ever proven to be far more proficient or efficient versus the private sector?......the private sector raises rates and runs the risk of pricing itself out of the market......the government raises rates and what is the resistance?...NONE.....need more, you send us more....

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Where are all the cows, chickens, and potatoes running off to ? 
 

 

now you know.

 

 

 

[LB3]

It's funny watching people compare the fear of Bernie's policy ideas to the leftist nonsensical fear of Trump's existence. It's really not apples to apples.

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Foxx said:

it appears you are correct and i was prettys sure that those weren't the actual vote(r) totals.

 

however, i *think i might have found actual voter totals and to be honest, they are still somewhat underwhelming, again, if these numbers are the actual voter turnout. less then 60k with 60% reporting which would mean less than 100k in toto when all accounted for.

 

Nevada Caucuses 2020: Live Results

 

Before the caucuses began there were something like 70,000 early votes.

 

That was already fairly close to 2016 numbers.

 

I wanna say 2008 was something like 117,000 total.

 

I don't know when the final numbers will be posted, but it's pretty safe to assume the early votes combined with yesterday will pretty easily beat yesterday's turnout and will at least rival, if not beat 2008.

 

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

First you were certain Biden would be the one to end Trump — then he cratered like I promised he would. 
 

Then it was Mayor Pete and Warren you swore would be the end of Trump — then they both cratered as I promised they would. 
 

Now it’s Sanders and the 18-26 year old demo who are going to turn out (in numbers they’ve never ever turned out before) who will end Trump — but, like your other false hopes, this will be dashed too. 
 

Might want to get used to your new avatar my friend. You’re in for a loooong 5 years. 

 

You really do have no qualms whatsoever twisting narratives...

 

You should run for office!

[Deranged Rhino]

11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

You really do have no qualms whatsoever twisting narratives...

 

You should run for office!

 

It's not twisted. Your own posts and words are all there to be read. 

 

You started convinced Biden would mop the floor with Trump -- but you were wrong. 

Then you moved to Mayor Pete and Warren -- and were wrong again. 

Now you're banking on a demo turning out in numbers they've never turned out before to beat Trump -- and you will be wrong again. 

 

No one running can beat Trump. I've been consistent in that from day one while you've jumped from horse to horse. 

 

That's not twisting anything, it's just an accurate recap of your delusion  

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

As others have pointed out to you, Bernie is most certainly a communist. Mao, Stalin, Marx, some people you may want to read up on since Bernie wants to reset America. ?

 

I'm disappointed in you.

 

Rather than using this as an opportunity to somehow enlighten me on the parallels Bernie would have with Stalin or Mao, you instead post this crap.

 

Maybe you should read up yourself.

 

Marx shouldn't be lumped in with Mao or Stalin. Marxism was a vision. Stalin, Mao and others wildly distorted that vision and used its name for their own corrupt purposes of maintaining power.

 

Obviously as all of you spew "he's a communist!" with regard to Bernie, you're referring to previous and current regimes that are nearly universally mislabeled as "Communist regimes" rather than actual Marxism.

 

The thing is, while there might be an ideological alignment with true Marxism (which actually isn't evil the way some of you portray it), if you actually read up on what Sanders plans, there are many big differences.

 

That's why he's not a communist. He's a Democratic Socialist.

5 hours ago, Foxx said:

is this right?  50% of precincts reporting and the totals are under 8,000 votes?

if that is true, then Democrats turnout has to be a large red flag for the establishment, as well as being quite laughable.

 

2020 Nevada caucus election results

 

4 hours ago, Foxx said:

it appears you are correct and i was prettys sure that those weren't the actual vote(r) totals.

 

however, i *think i might have found actual voter totals and to be honest, they are still somewhat underwhelming, again, if these numbers are the actual voter turnout. less then 60k with 60% reporting which would mean less than 100k in toto when all accounted for.

 

Nevada Caucuses 2020: Live Results

 

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

took me quite awhile to find the actual voter numbers from '16 (stupid delegate reporting only on most sites (wonder why that is)).

 

in '16 they had a turnout of 84k voters, so it appears that the numbers are on par with the last election caucus. again though, with the DNC/MSM fever of #orangemanbad, one would think that the turnout would be much higher. and if one were to compare these numbers to the turnout to elect Obama and shun the Bushista era, the numbers are way down, in the neighborhood of 30%. personally, i just don't see the MSM narrative of there being this massive voter sentiment to unseat Trump as ringing anywhere near being true. rather it is just their made up fantasy.

 

Nevada Democratic caucus turnout lower than in 2008

 

Love ya Foxxy... but you crack me up.

 

Just read these 3 posts in sequence 

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Marx shouldn't be lumped in with Mao or Stalin. Marxism was a vision.

 

No. No it was not. 

 

It was poison. Any educated person who thinks Marxism was simply a vision is deeply ignorant. 

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Obviously as all of you spew "he's a communist!" with regard to Bernie, you're referring to previous and current regimes that are nearly universally mislabeled as "Communist regimes" rather than actual Marxism.

 

The thing is, while there might be an ideological alignment with true Marxism (which actually isn't evil the way some of you portray it), if you actually read up on what Sanders plans, there are many big differences.

 

Marxism is evil. It requires an adversary to work, which means there will always be an oppressor and oppressed. There's no room for anything but. 

 

Your brain has been poisoned and you don't even realize it. 

 

(Again, proving what I said about the failure of our education system the past several generations -- we allowed Marxists to infiltrate it and spread their disease).

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

And those countries are not socialist — they’re free market capitalistic countries. 
 

 

  And for many decades they were pretty much getting a free ride in terms of defense expenditures.  If the US had somebody else footing the defense bill we could spend all kinds of money on social programs if we so chose.  Not saying that we should but just saying it would be possible.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Communism, which you are cheering for, is ugly, inhumane, soul crushing, and horrifying. Bernie is a ***** communist, and anyone trying to pretty it up is lying to themselves, and others.

 

The only thing “sad” is the stupidity of some Americans voting for this commie hustler.

22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It's not twisted. Your own posts and words are all there to be read. 

 

You started convinced Biden would mop the floor with Trump -- but you were wrong. 

Then you moved to Mayor Pete and Warren -- and were wrong again. 

Now you're banking on a demo turning out in numbers they've never turned out before to beat Trump -- and you will be wrong again. 

 

No one running can beat Trump. I've been consistent in that from day one while you've jumped from horse to horse. 

 

That's not twisting anything, it's just an accurate recap of your delusion  

 

It is twisting.

 

And again, run for office. You seem like you'd be good at it.

[Foxx]

29 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

... Love ya Foxxy... but you crack me up.

 

Just read these 3 posts in sequence 

you'll have to explain just how exactly is it moving the goal posts? 

 

i owned the delegate numbers and subsequently posted the actual voter numbers that backed up what i initially said. then i dug up numbers for '16 which also included numbers for '08 and went on to bolster my argument with emphasis. so, again, please explain how that is moving the goalposts. not lost here is the fact that you omitted the last post of mine in this series that essentially stated that we would have to wait and see what the final numbers were.

 

additionally, i saw your prior post where you say that you saw where some 70k early votes cast and that the final tally may rival the '08 numbers (117k). i saw that number as well but that was from a vox article, so i tend to take those numbers with a grain of salt. my numbers are being reported pretty consistently across many sites and as such, the extrapolation just does not add up to what you want to believe in the vox numbers. it may ultimately prove that they do but at current with the numbers we do have being actually reported, the numbers are not in your favor.

 

lastly, i did notice that you avoided my question about Sander's policies versus Trump's policies. i will assume that you can not answer it and that is okay because there is no logical defense.

Edited February 23, 2020 by Foxx

[RochesterRob]

24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'm disappointed in you.

 

Rather than using this as an opportunity to somehow enlighten me on the parallels Bernie would have with Stalin or Mao, you instead post this crap.

 

Maybe you should read up yourself.

 

Marx shouldn't be lumped in with Mao or Stalin. Marxism was a vision. Stalin, Mao and others wildly distorted that vision and used its name for their own corrupt purposes of maintaining power.

 

Obviously as all of you spew "he's a communist!" with regard to Bernie, you're referring to previous and current regimes that are nearly universally mislabeled as "Communist regimes" rather than actual Marxism.

 

The thing is, while there might be an ideological alignment with true Marxism (which actually isn't evil the way some of you portray it), if you actually read up on what Sanders plans, there are many big differences.

 

That's why he's not a communist. He's a Democratic Socialist.

 

 

 

Love ya Foxxy... but you crack me up.

 

Just read these 3 posts in sequence 

  You and Marx failed to reach one utmost conclusion about the nature of man and politics.  Man is inevitably corruptible and the more autocratic the political system the lesser the chance is of overriding it into a more benign state.  

[ALF]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Communism, which you are cheering for, is ugly, inhumane, soul crushing, and horrifying. Bernie is a ***** communist, and anyone trying to pretty it up is lying to themselves, and others.

 

The only thing “sad” is the stupidity of some Americans voting for this commie hustler.

 

Communism is a political system completely different from our Congress. Socialism is a economic system which we have part of but mainly capitalism .

 

I would never vote for Bernie he is a idealist who's green new deal is not possible and whose followers do not understand.

Edited February 23, 2020 by ALF

[snafu]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

For the record, I don't think Bernie would win but if he did then the Republican resistance would make the Tea Party look like amateur hour.  We'll be fine.

 

If Bernie wins, I’m gonna have to go on eBay and snap up a bunch of #resist t-shirts and bumper stickers!

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

It is twisting.

 

Are you saying you did not say Biden would easily beat Trump? 

Or that, once Biden imploded, Mayor Pete was your horse? Followed by Warren? 

Are you not now saying, despite all the candidates being shown to have no ability to carry the vote that they will still beat Trump because a demo that never turns out magically will this time around? 

 

One of us is twisting. It ain't me  

 

There are going to be so many new avatars to pick from for you come November. Maybe it'll be this one. Or maybe we'll do a new one every month for a year? 

23 minutes ago, ALF said:

Communism is a political system completely different from our Congress. Socialism is a economic system which we have part of but mainly capitalism .

 

Socialism is a stepping stone to Communism. That's the goal of socialism in all it's forms. That's not me saying this, that's Lenin.

[Nanker]

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Where are all the cows, chickens, and potatoes running off to ? 
 

 

There are no birds.

 

They've been eaten. 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Marx shouldn't be lumped in with Mao or Stalin. Marxism was a vision. Stalin, Mao and others wildly distorted that vision and used its name for their own corrupt purposes of maintaining power.

 

Obviously as all of you spew "he's a communist!" with regard to Bernie, you're referring to previous and current regimes that are nearly universally mislabeled as "Communist regimes" rather than actual Marxism.

 

 

This encapsulates what they've done to you, @transplantbillsfan

 

 

Marx wasn't a visionary, a hero, or a good person. His "vision" has a body count in the 100s of millions. 

[Koko78]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

He's a Democratic Socialist, NOT a communist... they simply aren't the same, ESPECIALLY when put into practice.

 

Feel free to explain the differences between Democratic Socialism and regular old Socialism.

 

Putting the term "Democratic" in front of it doesn't make any more difference than calling Herpes "Democratic Herpes".

Edited February 23, 2020 by Koko78