Doc Brown Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 I want a degenerative gambler to decide who wins. Also, I want pictures of Biden caucusing in a Vegas strip club.
Prickly Pete Posted February 22, 2020 Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) This is just getting tastier and tastier. I cannot wait to see the what underhanded schemes the Dems and their media shills will come up with to attack Ernie. The Lefties need to get "The Treatment", from the same media they have been lapping up Trump smears from. And they are so aggressive, I could see them physically attacking media, vandalizing media buildings, and going on violent rampages during protests. All the while condemning Trump supporters as violent, hate-driven Deplorables, and blaming Trump for creating a schism in America. Edited February 22, 2020 by 32ABBA
Boatdrinks Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 So Pete Buttigieg got ( wait for it )....2% of the black vote today. Will the Dems now face the elephant in the room and admit that “ Mayor Pete” can’t win a general election ? The left is so outside the American mainstream that the gay candidate is the centrist. Bernie Sanders racing toward the nomination. Wow, not sure what else could more clearly illustrate the gap between the Dems and American ideals. I have to believe it is the young , indoctrinated millennials ( mostly) that are supporting Bernie because they have no idea why or how our country came to be. Thank goodness Trump is in office and will be re-elected to a second term; the Democratic Party clearly wants to dismantle America. 3
Golden Goat Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 I can't remember the last time a race was called while polls were still open. Not sure how I feel about that. 1
IDBillzFan Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 Fun listening to the leftist media talking heads hyperventilate about Bernie as the frontrunner. Carville is right; the MSM has never really vetted Bernie. I know a lot of people are comparing this to Trump in 2016, but it reminds me, personally, of watching John McCain win the nod against Obama. It was like watching Billy Joe Hobert come off the bench. Same feeling to it.
Doc Brown Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Fun listening to the leftist media talking heads hyperventilate about Bernie as the frontrunner. Carville is right; the MSM has never really vetted Bernie. I know a lot of people are comparing this to Trump in 2016, but it reminds me, personally, of watching John McCain win the nod against Obama. It was like watching Billy Joe Hobert come off the bench. Same feeling to it. McCain? He's as establishment as you could get and could barely fill a conference room. It's exactly like Trump in '16. A perceived outsider populist candidate starting a movement predicated on blaming the elites and unfair trade deals for all of societies ills. The establishment freaking out thinking the nomination will cost them House and Senate seats. Having rallies that fill out arenas. The establishment candidates refusing to drop out before it's too late warning us that Trump hasn't been properly vetted. Voters giving the media the middle finger. The opposing party celebrating what looks to be an easy victory. The general election may turn out differently but the primary process so far is eerily similar. 2
Boatdrinks Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: McCain? He's as establishment as you could get and could barely fill a conference room. It's exactly like Trump in '16. A perceived outsider populist candidate starting a movement predicated on blaming the elites and unfair trade deals for all of societies ills. The establishment freaking out thinking the nomination will cost them House and Senate seats. Having rallies that fill out arenas. The establishment candidates refusing to drop out before it's too late warning us that Trump hasn't been properly vetted. Voters giving the media the middle finger. The opposing party celebrating what looks to be an easy victory. The general election may turn out differently but the primary process so far is eerily similar. In a superficial way there may be similarities. However, the differences couldn’t be more stark. Trump is populist , but called for “ making America great again” . Not pandering to political correctness , but getting the USA back from the loony left and 8 years of Obama. Bernie doesn’t want to make America great again, he wants to make America go away ; to change the very essence of what it means to be American. Scary that voters under say , 40 think socialism is a good idea. 2 1
transplantbillsfan Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said: Fun listening to the leftist media talking heads hyperventilate about Bernie as the frontrunner. Carville is right; the MSM has never really vetted Bernie. I know a lot of people are comparing this to Trump in 2016, but it reminds me, personally, of watching John McCain win the nod against Obama. It was like watching Billy Joe Hobert come off the bench. Same feeling to it. I disagree. I consider myself a fairly moderate Democrat. Bernie and Warren were in the back of the pack in terms of my Democratic nominee preference. But even if it's Bernie or Warren (and I think it's still waaAAaaayyy too early in the game to say it will be) I will go out to vote against Trump in November and will stand in line for hours to do it if I have to. And I'm not alone:
RochesterRob Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: In a superficial way there may be similarities. However, the differences couldn’t be more stark. Trump is populist , but called for “ making America great again” . Not pandering to political correctness , but getting the USA back from the loony left and 8 years of Obama. Bernie doesn’t want to make America great again, he wants to make America go away ; to change the very essence of what it means to be American. Scary that voters under say , 40 think socialism is a good idea. Voters under 40 are that way because the Cold War and what came before it barely gets a mention in school. When it does get mentioned it is in the context of the failings of capitalism. The worst part is the people that had to live behind the Iron Curtain at its most repressive time are no longer around to give first hand testimony. I recall letters sent to a relative here in NY from her sister in E Germany when I was very young. Three pages of text reduced to an opening, brief mention of the weather, and a closing. Everything else was blackened out to the point of being not readable in the least. The NY relative had lived in the aftermath of WWI in Central Europe and was well acquainted with the concept of not drawing attention to one's self. I wish those letters were still around but I don't know whatever happened to them after the relative passed. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Voters under 40 are that way because the Cold War and what came before it barely gets a mention in school. When it does get mentioned it is in the context of the failings of capitalism. The worst part is the people that had to live behind the Iron Curtain at its most repressive time are no longer around to give first hand testimony. I recall letters sent to a relative here in NY from her sister in E Germany when I was very young. Three pages of text reduced to an opening, brief mention of the weather, and a closing. Everything else was blackened out to the point of being not readable in the least. The NY relative had lived in the aftermath of WWI in Central Europe and was well acquainted with the concept of not drawing attention to one's self. I wish those letters were still around but I don't know whatever happened to them after the relative passed. Regardless of the veracity of every word you say here, I'm pretty sure it's those voters under 40 (I'm 38) who will decide this election. And again. As far as Democratic nominees go, I will go out and stand in the rain for 2 hours to vote against Trump, even if it's my least favorite nominee in Bernie or Warren. Call me young and ignorant. Fine. Maybe you're just old, stubborn and out of touch
Boatdrinks Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I disagree. I consider myself a fairly moderate Democrat. Bernie and Warren were in the back of the pack in terms of my Democratic nominee preference. But even if it's Bernie or Warren (and I think it's still waaAAaaayyy too early in the game to say it will be) I will go out to vote against Trump in November and will stand in line for hours to do it if I have to. And I'm not alone: Truth is, if you would vote for Sanders or Warren to be POTUS , you aren’t even remotely moderate. But hey, In lefty-land perception is reality. I guess its not considered much different than actually being a guy , but “ considering oneself “ to be a girl. Edit: and hey, 38 really isn’t that young. Edited February 23, 2020 by Boatdrinks 1
Doc Brown Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: In a superficial way there may be similarities. However, the differences couldn’t be more stark. Trump is populist , but called for “ making America great again” . Not pandering to political correctness , but getting the USA back from the loony left and 8 years of Obama. Bernie doesn’t want to make America great again, he wants to make America go away ; to change the very essence of what it means to be American. Scary that voters under say , 40 think socialism is a good idea. Quick question. Wouldn't this be considered a socialist policy? 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Voters under 40 are that way because the Cold War and what came before it barely gets a mention in school. When it does get mentioned it is in the context of the failings of capitalism. The worst part is the people that had to live behind the Iron Curtain at its most repressive time are no longer around to give first hand testimony. I recall letters sent to a relative here in NY from her sister in E Germany when I was very young. Three pages of text reduced to an opening, brief mention of the weather, and a closing. Everything else was blackened out to the point of being not readable in the least. The NY relative had lived in the aftermath of WWI in Central Europe and was well acquainted with the concept of not drawing attention to one's self. I wish those letters were still around but I don't know whatever happened to them after the relative passed. I went to Czechoslovakia and Poland back when they were communist. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, good about living under communist rule. The dogs and machine guns patrolling the tracks and streets, the shortages of food, clothing, basic hygiene needs... simply horrible. Imagine a city like Krakow having one (old) car on the main road. A family of four, five assigned a “house” (apartment) with two rooms. If you had connections, you might also have a bathroom. Anyone who feels there is anything redeeming about communism (or socialism) needs their head examined. 1 1
Boatdrinks Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 Just now, Doc Brown said: Quick question. Wouldn't this be considered a socialist policy? Nope. Some things need to be done to stop the economy from going out of whack. Food prices would explode without farm subsidies, and what you cited is just another form of maintaining the good economy that we enjoy. One can point to all sorts of things being “ socialist “ such as my taxes paying for me neighbors kids to go to school. If everything were pay as you go, I’m guessing a lot of folks wouldn’t like it. Anyway, the Dems are talking about a huge move toward pure Socialism , which is definitely not a good thing.
Doc Brown Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Nope. Some things need to be done to stop the economy from going out of whack. Food prices would explode without farm subsidies, and what you cited is just another form of maintaining the good economy that we enjoy. One can point to all sorts of things being “ socialist “ such as my taxes paying for me neighbors kids to go to school. If everything were pay as you go, I’m guessing a lot of folks wouldn’t like it. Anyway, the Dems are talking about a huge move toward pure Socialism , which is definitely not a good thing. That was kind of my point. We already have a lot of socialist programs in place to provide a social safety net. If by some miracle Bernie gets elected as president, our system of checks and balances will prevent him from his most ambitious socialist proposals (medicare for all, free college, student loan forgiveness). I'd venture a Bloomberg presidency wouldn't look much different than a Sanders presidency.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Golden Goat said: I can't remember the last time a race was called while polls were still open. Not sure how I feel about that. 2016 California primary -- when they called it early for Hillary to suppress Bernie's vote. It worked. 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: McCain? He's as establishment as you could get and could barely fill a conference room. It's exactly like Trump in '16. A perceived outsider populist candidate starting a movement predicated on blaming the elites and unfair trade deals for all of societies ills. The establishment freaking out thinking the nomination will cost them House and Senate seats. Having rallies that fill out arenas. The establishment candidates refusing to drop out before it's too late warning us that Trump hasn't been properly vetted. Voters giving the media the middle finger. The opposing party celebrating what looks to be an easy victory. The general election may turn out differently but the primary process so far is eerily similar. Except, Bernie isn't an outsider -- Trump was/remains one. 1
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