ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: What are the deadlines for tagging a player and getting a long term deal done? IF we tag Phillips, I see it mostly as a way to keep him in our building and have exclusive negotiating rights with him. More so than a tag-and-trade, or tag and pay him 1yr/$16M. I mean, not really. I was actually just putting it up for a reference point. There are still other options than paying him $16M. We could use it to buy time to work out a long term deal. And "worst case" pay him the tag amount which we can afford with our crazy amount of cap space, and worry about replacing him next year. Tags have to be issued by March 10th. I like Phillips but I don't think he is worth tag value. Not by a long shot. But that's just me. 1
BuffaloRebound Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 If everyone is gonna tag these D linemen, why would we let him walk for nothing? For that matter, why let him walk at all?
whatdrought Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 The only way this makes sense is if we’re looking to flip him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, or if we’re just needing to spend the cash. 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: We could do both and still have $60M in cap left over. And Harry is coming back to split time with Star at the 1-tech spot. Jordan rotates at 3-Tech with Ed. And if you consider both Ed and Harry are on Rookie deals, and Star just took a paycut, it isnt a ton of money to have invested in the Interior DL overall. I'm all for spending in the trenches. So you are ok with the one year tag for Phillips or looking for a longer deal?
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Tags have to be issued by March 10th. Issued by March 10th, but don't they have some time after that to get a long term deal done before the player and team is stuck with the 1 year tag?
ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Issued by March 10th, but don't they have some time after that to get a long term deal done before the player and team is stuck with the 1 year tag? As soon as Phillips signs the tag (which he would break his legs running to do that) it's a done deal. The team then can try to trade up until I believe June.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said: So you are ok with the one year tag for Phillips or looking for a longer deal? I'm ok with either. I'd like to get a longer deal done, as would the team and player, I assume. IIRC, a team can tag a player but then has a window to also get a long term deal done. Or do I have that backwards.
KOKBILLS Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not getting tagged Agreed...It would be idiotic... And I like JP...But still...?
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: As soon as Phillips signs the tag (which he would break his legs running to do that) it's a done deal. The team then can try to trade up until I believe June. Ah ok. Im still fine with either way. Whatever we do to keep him.
ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ah ok. Im still fine with either way. Whatever we do to keep him. Beane has already said he will let him test FA. We will all know what's up with him in another 6 weeks.
GG Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 That would be insanely out of character for Beane 1 1
Don Otreply Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 At 15 + million dollars, NFW, is he tagged, it would be better to give him 7 or 8 million a year for two years... if the money is right we should resign Shaq and Jordan, but that’s in Beane’s capable hands...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'm ok with either. I'd like to get a longer deal done, as would the team and player, I assume. IIRC, a team can tag a player but then has a window to also get a long term deal done. Or do I have that backwards. I can go either way on Phillips. Ultimately I trust Beane. Edited February 12, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Issued by March 10th, but don't they have some time after that to get a long term deal done before the player and team is stuck with the 1 year tag? Yes, July 15th. I'll add a few more lines to the off season dates post. 19 minutes ago, GG said: That would be insanely out of character for Beane Thank you. That is my impression too: the guy says what he means, and means what he says. He's CAREFUL about what he says sometimes and people read into it....but my take on Brandon Beane is that when he comes out and says something, you can bank on i 1
mjt328 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 I just can't see the Bills using the franchise tag on Jordan Phillips. Although I would love to bring him back, I believe his market value is in the $6-7 million per year range. Free Agency is crazy, and it's possible that a team throws out $8-9 million. But I would be very surprised to see him getting a double-digit offer. With that in consideration, it makes zero sense for Brandon Beane to give him $15-16 to lock him up for just one year.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I can go either way on Phillips. Ultimately I trust Beane. Same. While I would like to keep him, I also have a much shorter sighted perspective than Beane. 1
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Using the tag as a tool to control the situation has long been underutilized by this organization. Belichick used the tag on his PK twice and a back-up QB. They have the cap space to apply the tag and still be able to sign other free agents. Even if Lawson or Phillips played 2020 under the tag amount they would still have plenty of money to spend. I of course don't think either is worth that amount of money but being able to avoid a long term commitment, a signing bonus, and the dead cap hit if they were to be released later makes a lot of sense - even if the one year amount of cash is higher than you would want to pay.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: As soon as Phillips signs the tag (which he would break his legs running to do that) it's a done deal. The team then can try to trade up until I believe June. 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, July 15th. I'll add a few more lines to the off season dates post. Ok, so we CAN tag him by 3/10 and still work out a long term deal before 7/15. Thank you.
MAJBobby Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-rumors-executives-believe-buffalo-bills-will-use-franchise-tag-jordan-phillips.html no he isn’t worth the tag value. NO 1
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