BillsMafi$ Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/02/nfl-rumors-executives-believe-buffalo-bills-will-use-franchise-tag-jordan-phillips.html
Reed83HOF Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Let's clean this up... It is LaConjecture who is "reporting" ithttps://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-offseason-insider-notes-buccaneers-must-keep-jameis-winston-elite-pass-rushers-to-get-tagged-and-more/ 2 1
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 The 2019 Tag Number for DTs was $15,209,000. Just putting that out there for easy reference. 2 2 5 3
RyanC883 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. that would be a nice return. What's his tag price?
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. Add this to the long list of "Easier Said by Fans than Actually Done" 7 1
buffalostu2 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Wouldn't the transition tag be a better option? He might be worth more to us than anyone else. Edited February 12, 2020 by buffalostu2 3
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Let's clean this up... It is LaConjecture who is "reporting" ithttps://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-offseason-insider-notes-buccaneers-must-keep-jameis-winston-elite-pass-rushers-to-get-tagged-and-more/ Leaving aside the question of the Bills putting a $15M DT tag on a guy who for them, is a rotational player with Ed Oliver..... .....given what he said in his post-season presser I don't see how Beane could possibly tag Jordan Phillips and retain much in the way of credibility with players. He said, plain as plain can be, "Jordan Phillips has earned the right to test free agency". You can't say that on the record about a guy then turn around and slap a tag on him, not if you want to be seen as a straight-up guy. Edit: the exact words are correctly transcribed below. Exact words were "earned the right to see what his value is on the market" 12 4
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Isn't it like 15mil for D Tackles? I'd pass unless a tag and trade was worked out 1
Rc2catch Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. A 2nd round pick???? I don’t think that is even close to a possibility 2
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Add this to the long list of "Easier Said by Fans than Actually Done" With his college numbers and his breakout season this year I could see a team making a trade for him. Obviously not for two 1st rd picks but a 2nd is not outrageous. He is very good against the run and show signs of being a 6 to 8 sack a year DT. Edited February 12, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu
Buddo Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He is definitely a tag and trade type player. We might just be looking for a 2nd rd pick. I don't see that, at all. Likewise I don't see him getting tagged, there just isn't the value in doing it. While there's always the possibility of 'smoke and mirrors' around this time of the year, Beane's comments regarding guys who have 'earned the right' to find out how FA values them, strike me as being pretty honest. Phillips could be a classic example of a guy who gets overpaid due to a team having a glaring need, but there isn't a team in the league who would both pay him and also give up a pick, or picks.
ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The 2019 Tag Number for DTs was $15,209,000. Just putting that out there for easy reference. .....and that should end the talk about that. 5
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) What are the deadlines for tagging a player and getting a long term deal done? IF we tag Phillips, I see it mostly as a way to keep him in our building and have exclusive negotiating rights with him. More so than a tag-and-trade, or tag and pay him 1yr/$16M. 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: .....and that should end the talk about that. I mean, not really. I was actually just putting it up for a reference point. There are still other options than paying him $16M. We could use it to buy time to work out a long term deal. And "worst case" pay him the tag amount which we can afford with our crazy amount of cap space, and worry about replacing him next year. 4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: With his college numbers and his breakout season this year I could see a team making a trade for him. Obviously not for two 1st rd picks but a 2nd is not outrageous. He is very good against the run and show signs of being a 6 to 8 sack a year DT. We hear the fan suggestions every year, but how many tag-and-trades actually happen? Not a lot of teams willing to give up good draft capital AND have to immediately sign a guy to a high-price deal. Usually only superstars/big names like Clowney. Edited February 12, 2020 by DrDawkinstein
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The 2019 Tag Number for DTs was $15,209,000. Just putting that out there for easy reference. Yuck. No thank you. Spend that money on a DE that can get home and find me a space eater to split time with Starr. 1
Reed83HOF Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Leaving aside the question of the Bills putting a $15M DT tag on a guy who for them, is a rotational player with Ed Oliver..... .....given what he said in his post-season presser I don't see how Beane could possibly tag Jordan Phillips and retain much in the way of credibility with players. He said, plain as plain can be, "Jordan Phillips has earned the right to test free agency". You can't say that on the record about a guy then turn around and slap a tag on him, not if you want to be seen as a straight-up guy. I wanted to get in front of this quickly & show it was Jason L reporting this. "Teams Figure" . His takes are almost as bad as Manish's (or is it Wyatt?) https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/2000211-sports-and-racing-nfl/77557249 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/1/11/14243176/more-on-the-lack-of-credibility-of-jason-la-canfora https://247sports.com/nfl/browns/Board/105323/Contents/This-sounds-more-realistic-Jason-La-Canfora-is-a-hack-71098804/ https://awfulannouncing.com/wwe/jason-la-canfora-fake-wwe-account-ric-flair.html Edited February 12, 2020 by Reed83HOF 2 1
DrDawkinstein Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Yuck. No thank you. Spend that money on a DE that can get home and find me a space eater to split time with Starr. We could do both and still have $60M in cap left over. And Harry is coming back to split time with Star at the 1-tech spot. Jordan rotates at 3-Tech with Ed. And if you consider both Ed and Harry are on Rookie deals, and Star just took a paycut, it isnt a ton of money to have invested in the Interior DL overall. I'm all for spending in the trenches. Edited February 12, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 1
CorkScrewHill Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Cork LaScrew just reported that the Buffalo Bills will not tag Jordan Phillips but rather are concerned about retaining someone who is more likely to be highly sought after Frank Gore. Note: This is true because I posted it on the Internet. 2
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